I guess you can't call, unless you have a sick read that he is capable of bluffing you off a flush here, since your cards are kind of face up, but he can represent full house+

anyways my opinion is that of a 6max nit : )

Heavily opponent dependant imo. Plenty he could turn into a bluff here.

Bluff is certainly solid in theory here, I usually get called when I run it though since people hate folding when they are capped.

Since you can't have boats (or very likely don't) when raising the turn I feel like a lot of players will try to exploit you on the riv when you bet.

Betting to induce a bluff may actually be pretty rape here. If you check river since this is a bad card for your range villain may likely pick up on this; realize you are probably check calling a flush, and give up. If you bet on the other hand he may take his AdAs and rip it in figuring he puts you in this trash spot that gets posted to forums

In PLO you would be a lot more protected from getting bluffed on river here since it would be possible for you to both have a flush and improve on the river.

easy call

most sets/2pair X back on the turn and he has 1million combos of naked As to bluff with

if you lose here it's to Axss most of the time, then straight flushes/boats

would only fold here w/ a nit read

On October 07 2015 21:36 Smuft wrote: easy call most sets/2pair X back on the turn and he has 1million combos of naked As to bluff with if you lose here it's to Axss most of the time, then straight flushes/boats would only fold here w/ a nit read

Disagree with the bolded. Why check in position super deep with a hand that has outs when beat but is facing a range including mostly hands with a naked spade? Agree with rest and still think it is a call, but don't think bet would be that unlikely for a set or even 2 pair (although 2 pair might be more likely to check or to fold vs a raise).

And always, don't forget about 42ss. Not a big shift in EV, but it is definitely possible he bets it on the flop in position this deep.

Why are we leading river if we dont know what to do when he shoves though

On October 07 2015 22:14 Spitfiree wrote: Why are we leading river if we dont know what to do when he shoves though

thats not a reason to not bet

On October 07 2015 21:36 Smuft wrote: easy call most sets/2pair X back on the turn and he has 1million combos of naked As to bluff with if you lose here it's to Axss most of the time, then straight flushes/boats would only fold here w/ a nit read

dont think its an easy call this deep...

but I still think it's a call, but weird spot, I dont know if he's "smart" enough to shove nut flush here knowing I never have a fullhouse and I can still have 2 straight flushes

On October 07 2015 22:14 Spitfiree wrote: Why are we leading river if we dont know what to do when he shoves though

I feel like this guy would jam his NF on river unless he is pretty nitty/bad

result drone, you fold?

I agree with Smuft. I don't think many players at 1/2 typically will barrel turn with sets/2prs in this spot, so it's Axss, straight flushes, dry Asx, and random 1 pr hands he turns into a bluff. I would call and feel pretty good about it

Also this hasn't been discussed yet but I'm not really a fan of your turn C/R. I would start by C/R'ing flop or just continue to call down on turn and prob go for a C/R on most rivers

On October 08 2015 06:03 TimDawg wrote: Also this hasn't been discussed yet but I'm not really a fan of your turn C/R. I would start by C/R'ing flop or just continue to call down on turn and prob go for a C/R on most rivers

what i was going to say! check/raising turn while deep means capping your range and getting into trouble spots like this when such a river hits.

On October 08 2015 06:03 TimDawg wrote: Also this hasn't been discussed yet but I'm not really a fan of your turn C/R. I would start by C/R'ing flop or just continue to call down on turn and prob go for a C/R on most rivers

I am a big fan of this post.

raise is fine on the turn, our hand is way too good to just call for sake of balance. you still gotta punish them for betting 2p/sets, As, etc. It opens up room for them to get stubborn and make a huge mistake for their entire stack.

having capped range on paired river isn't necessarily bad long as you don't fold after betting. it might just be the river that makes him punt rest of his stacks which is probably what smuft meant by easy call.