this is annoying and probably standard. On the turn he either has AK as well, AA, AQs, clubs barrelling and possibly JTs, 76s of hearts or something like that, maybe KQo if he does that. So, given his shitty bet sizing on the flop and turn, we are both committed by the river. What does that mean for me, should I just shove the turn to punish his draws? Im leaning towards that, because id probably do that if I was going to continue with a draw myself, I wouldnt want to put in 2/3 of my stack and then have to fold the river..and on the river, would he still have bluffs there? I suppose he could try to make me fold missed draws, but with a missed draw himself hed be blocking my folding range lol

I think he is short enough after betting vs potsize that shoving turn is ok

yeh with him having only 20 behind you should definitely shove turn I think.. you're clearly not folding any river, and unless he has complete air (which looks really unlikely) then he's not folding to a shove with any hand - but it's conceivable that he has some fd which could check fold a blank river.

not really a big deal because it probably only makes a difference vs a flush draw, vs made hands you win/lose the same either way, and his ratio of complete air prolly negates a portion of the advantage you get from pushing turn vs flush draw, but I'm still thinking vs most players you slightly benefit from a turn shove. It's largely just because of the sizing, he basically didn't leave himself enough room to fold with marginal hands that he doesn't actually want to go allin with. if he had like $15 more the hand wouldn't play itself the way it does now.

Since you do not have a call turn/ fold river range in this spot due to his abnormal turn sizing( draws are probably folding or shipping turn, and Ax are calling/calling or shipping turn), just calling turn should only be considered as an exploitative play where we have the read that villain folds his draws/air to a turn shove, but if instead we call , he continues on rivers he misses even though it would be unwise for him to consider he has much fold equity with 20$ behind. However,i find that quite unlikely so i would lean towards a turn shove with everything i continue here.

On November 04 2015 15:15 Pb wrote: Since you do not have a call turn/ fold river range in this spot due to his abnormal turn sizing( draws are probably folding or shipping turn, and Ax are calling/calling or shipping turn), just calling turn should only be considered as an exploitative play where we have the read that villain folds his draws/air to a turn shove, but if instead we call , he continues on rivers he misses even though it would be unwise for him to consider he has much fold equity with 20$ behind. However,i find that quite unlikely so i would lean towards a turn shove with everything i continue here.

what?
we have direct pot odds with draws