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Handnr: 1061405
Submitted by : TianYuan

PokerStars Zoom Hand #146152638673: Omaha Pot Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2015/12/30 13:39:52 JST [2015/12/29 23:39:52 ET]
Table Humason 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TianYuan ($898.36 in chips)
Seat 2: DR K-27 ($293.21 in chips)
Seat 3: TheDonLans86 ($410.72 in chips)
Seat 4: guts=glury ($811.44 in chips)
Seat 5: mgroves ($190 in chips)
Seat 6: brunobufalo ($576.67 in chips)
DR K-27: posts small blind $2.50
TheDonLans86: posts big blind $5

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan 8h6c7d8c
guts=glury: folds
mgroves: folds
brunobufalo: raises $12.50 to $17.50
TianYuan: raises $27.50 to $45
DR K-27: folds
TheDonLans86: calls $40
brunobufalo: calls $27.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $137.50)

   7c2c4h
TheDonLans86: checks
brunobufalo: checks
TianYuan: bets $101.02
TheDonLans86: raises $264.70 to $365.72 and is all-in
brunobufalo: folds
TianYuan: calls $264.70

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $868.94)

   7c2c4hQd

River (Pot : $868.94)

   7c2c4hQdQs

Showdown
TheDonLans86: shows 3dJcTdKd (a pair of Queens)
TianYuan: shows 8h6c7d8c (two pair, Queens and Eights)
TianYuan collected $866.14 from pot

Summary
Total pot $868.94 | Rake $2.80
Board  7c2c4hQdQs
Seat 1: TianYuan (button) showed 8h6c7d8c and won ($866.14) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 2: DR K-27 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: TheDonLans86 (big blind) showed 3dJcTdKd and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: guts=glury folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: mgroves folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: brunobufalo folded on the Flop

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traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 09:07. Posts 10468

what strikes you as most odd about these bot stats?

2+2 thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/153...kerstars-party-how-spot-them-1537778/

Bot stat PTR screenshot

http://i61.tinypic.com/eiwm81.png

4bets OOP 25% of opportunities
c/r turn 15% (& flop)
Great showdown stats. 50%+ WWSF and WatSD. and that is with going to showdown 30%.

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traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 09:12. Posts 10468

also 3bet = squeeze in their stats (or very close 8.24 to 7.64)? what does that even mean? how is squeeze defined here


traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 09:20. Posts 10468

is squeeze just a 3b from the BB

or is it any 3bet with a raiser and 1 caller?

Does this mean these hugely winning bots flat everything from other positions? seems impossible


traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 09:40. Posts 10468

sorry for dumping this all here but this is the only part of the site people still read and you play ring PLO and may have played with some of these bots (even tho i think they logged most hands lower than you play.. plo100)

i looked up squeeze. was what i thought it was. any 3bet with a coldcaller between the original raiser.

So these bots have just come to this strange strategy somehow? maybe that explains the very large 4bet stats. Most of the hands people would normally 3bet vs a single raiser the bot just flats in the same spot intending to 4bet when anyone raises behind (similar to when you have some weak aces UTG+1 that don't play great if u 3b and get flatted, so you coldcall the UTG and then cram it up when someone 3bets behind you- but they do it everywhere with everything lol).

Those times the bot coldcalls an openraise (intending to 4bet if action follows) but nobody reopens he will be seeing the flop with a stronger range than most other player. This could be the cause for the higher than normal postflop raise stats on the flop and turn; particularly the OOP c/r (If there is a single raiser CO/BU and our bot never 3bets the SB/BB vs 1 player then he is going to have a hell of a lot more AAxx to raise post than other players with weaker ranges in the same spot.


traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 09:57. Posts 10468

Looking at the stats by position there is some disparity between squeeze and 3bet from the non-blind positions. for example 3betting 9.5 from CO and squeezing 5, 3betting 13 from the button but squeezing 8.

All the BB stats are kinda ridic though - 12.5 3bet with 11.5 squeeze. He can't have that many more squeeze opportunities than chances to 3bet a single raiser from the BB unless table vpip is like 90%, must have drastically different ranges for squeeze vs 3bet and id love to know whats up with that.


traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 10:19. Posts 10468

or is most of their edge from holecard sharing? apparently they all run significantly over EV


traxamillion   United States. Dec 30 2015 10:45. Posts 10468

last post then i am going to bed

http://i61.tinypic.com/1531ueh.png

This is BB defend vs button minraise. All of the bots have this stat change overnight one date. Very sketch like a software update.

so they go from 50% defend to 100% (are they replacing 3bets with calls and never 3betting, or replacing folds?)

 Last edit: 30/12/2015 10:47

TianYuan    Korea (South). Dec 31 2015 08:29. Posts 6817

I'll try to look through these when I get home tonight oO That's a lot of posts.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

 

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