you should be much wider here making this a snapcall

snap call

call seems fine. one thing to note - his turn lead makes no sense... we should have plenty of Jx so his play is very fearless unless he thinks we never 3bet a jack pre which is obv bad thinking. fold exploitably is vs never-bluffer is ok i think but folding as balanced is probably exploitable since this is top of our non-Jx range

I think we have to call here. We don't block 8/9/Q/K/spades and if we fold this we are folding everything but J+. In anon games it would be tough to have a strong enough read to explo fold this imo.

I'd take a fully exploitative approach to this hand and say it's very player dependant. I believe it's very easy to find a big edge in this spot if you understand the player type you are playing with.

IMO the only player you should call this hand against is a competent regular who is well rounded in game theory and has shown you he is willing to bluff in spots where he thinks he has very little fold equity. And even then you are in a marginal bluffcatch situation. But even then sizing can be a big tell here because most people will donk a small size on this card, while he's clearly setting up a river shove.

Other regs will just donk turn and give up river with air for the reasons stated above. Also people tend to be cally on drawy boards no matter what and nl400 regs know this very well. It's simply a spot where it's very hard to find enough bluffs.

Based on these assumptions I believe on average this spot is a clearcut fold, and yes we can justify our possibly fine game theory call saying we would be folding too much otherwise, but if we take an exploitative approach we could possibly print in this spot, which seems better to me.

Theoretically you guys are right, which is why in anon games I wouldn't doubt villain takes this line exploitatively with his own Jx and no bluffing range

I posted right before cloud's post and didn't see what he wrote (I agree with it) so I was responding to the posts above his

More I'm thinking about it though hero obv has way less Jx than villain so it clearly feasible he just puts 32 AQ/AK in ur range cbetting there that always folds by river and some AK may even peel turn/fold riv increasing ev of the last barrel, few JX, and overpairs that may fold to river jam (if they do this bluff goes from close to money in the bank).

For value the line is prob as good as anything else too since I doubt we bluff this run a ton and often check ip before stacks go in

May be too exploitable to fold Red AA,

btw i had no reads on this player before the hand. he just sat down

Maybe these games run differently than what I am used to, but I doubt random villain will take this line with KQ cause he blocks really hard the folding hands and AQ/AK definitely don't always bet on this flop, depends on the player ofc but it's hard to say we always cbet them. The hand that makes the most sense is 89s but even then he has to bluff more than that.

Not saying Tim always cbets AK or really anything about his frequency there at all, just that villain may put it in his range if he wants to rationalize his bluff.

KQ blocks some folding hands but it blocks some qj/Kj that hero may 3bet Bvb too. He'd be better off reducing AJ combos obv but not to say he wouldn't see some marginal benefits to blocking QK/QJ as outweighing the effect of blocking folding hands

Blocking at max 4 QJ/QK is not outweighing reducing KK/QQ folding combos (if they fold!) By 6 and knocking out the straight draws

Maybe you are right. I've seen sick herocalls on that board but perhaps it's not as bad as I made it to be

Why the smallish flop bet?

yo if you don't feel all that great about calling try this.

find random number generator. hit it. 1-49 snap call 50-100 muck it

Really think this whole 30% pot stuff is whack unless you are world class. SB range is too wide for us to fold.

On January 19 2016 04:25 handbanana21 wrote: Really think this whole 30% pot stuff is whack unless you are world class. SB range is too wide for us to fold.

i'm caught between trying to play GTO (flop sizing) & still thinking playing exploitatively in some spots (the river here) is best

halp

also betting 1/3 on flop might not even be the best option according to GTO solvers here. I just know in a general sense the solvers prefer to go 1/3 a lot in 3b pots. I wouldn't be surprised if it preferred bigger sizing.

I think this flop texture should see some of the largest cbets we make in the game in 3bet pots here IP. Other than maybe QJ2ss,QJ3ss, Q97ss types

This is pretty much the best bluffcatcher we hold

On January 19 2016 05:17 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2016 04:25 handbanana21 wrote: Really think this whole 30% pot stuff is whack unless you are world class. SB range is too wide for us to fold. i'm caught between trying to play GTO (flop sizing) & still thinking playing exploitatively in some spots (the river here) is best halp

Imo we should be betting based on our hand strength and how many run outs we like/dislike as a rule of thumb. AA is obv towards the top of our range but without A spades here I like a 1/2 psb here. I feel you give villain too good of odds to continue with a vast portion of his range esp on this board texture betting less than 1/2 without the As.

If we had the As or even something like AsJx then I don't mind smaller sizings. Just so we can continue profitably on more run outs.

It could completely be the correct sizing, but unless you are making a serious effort to study the solvers, theres a good chance that betting 1/3rd pot on a ton of boards is going to cause u to misplay other streets at a much higher frequency.

Yeah doubt you have a big range advantage here with THE TJ and FD that just hit him tons and are not really good for you, I'd just cbet 50% with all my range and have lower cbet %

yeah its pretty silly to cbet 1/3 on this board, good ones are A-low-low and broadw-broadway-x. just bomb it on low connedted