You seriously think he has QT there?

8T s an option too, so are a bunch of sets I guess so its a decent fold

sets QTs KJs T8s so reasonable value range
and with the Ad there's...nope can't think of any hands without a pair here besides 56dd
I have double AJ blockers too, JT JQ should check behind like always at NL5 and will struggle to find a call vs jam I guess even there?

So that does leave check fold really at these stakes where poeple rarely turn stuff into bluff

Not good! People love to spaz and bluff catch in reraised pots. Bigger on the flop, smaller on the turn, and jam river

So does this hand mean 5nl plays harder than 1000nl at the casinos around me? Because you have to reraise to only 8 bb and bet small on wet flops? Is the game really this much different compared to 2010?

Honestly compared to 2010 NL5 is kinda nitty. But take it with a grain of salt because I'm a donkey,

As for the hand itself I wouldn't fold AA here. Cause he could be spazzing out with lots of stupid TPTK. But again what do I know.

not even talking about this hand, but poker in general.... I wish I would have studied more and only 3-4 tabled and moved up in limits. I was a 400nl player and could have been a 1000nl player if I did. Same with you, I think you would do well to play much less tables, adjust your WHOLE GAME APPROACH (not just playing hands in a vacuum). Shoot for like 100nl man.

I know you may have living expenses and stuff, but in the long run grinding lower limits than you are capable of is really : / looking back

On February 01 2016 21:06 Sacr3D wrote: Honestly compared to 2010 NL5 is kinda nitty. But take it with a grain of salt because I'm a donkey, As for the hand itself I wouldn't fold AA here. Cause he could be spazzing out with lots of stupid TPTK. But again what do I know.

Never underestimate the lack of discipline at the lower stakes, thats why they are there right? Although this hand actually looks like a decent fold as played.... I am more concerned with Lemon's game and career as a whole, coming from my experience

Idk if you remember but back in the day I used to play NL25 on stars and you had tables with 40% pls/flop. Good luck finding that now.

ye this was a 4 tabling unknown Zoom reg at NL5
I'm confident in the river line here
I don't play these games and never have at Zoom but I'd expect NL5 regs to be nits if anything, to think they'd start turning pairs into bluffs like you guys suggest at a big enough frequency to warrant a call seems crazy. And there is exactly 1 air combo in his range tops.

Unless you love poker, I don't see the point in playing if you are staying at nl 5 and battling "regs". I am totally not be condescending, poker is just really tough money if nl 5 is not easy, not worth it.

Also, like I said, this hand looks like an ok river fold. But I am talking poker as a whole. 4 tabling zoom is a lot of hands/hour, probably too many to really sit down and think and evolve as a player. I am just trying to say it in different ways over and over again I guess..... which is, grinding micros is not worth it when you could get much better in such a short period. You may not believe it, but in a month you could be twice the player you are, it happens to players all the time once they really analyze the game.

Who says it's not easy just look at the sick folds I'm making

On February 01 2016 22:55 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Who says it's not easy just look at the sick folds I'm making

Ok. It doesn't really seem like you are interested in anything I am talking about.

It's true though Lemon you've been at this for quite a while and you def have the potential.

sorry miss the good old trolling days as I have to be all professional and shit where I post xD

But
WHEN I RUN GOOD WANT TO PLAY LOWER THAN I KNOW I SHOULD OR AVOID PLAYING when I don't feel 100%
Is something I've identified and am working on

Fk me the guy is playing nl5 since 6 years. What a waste of time imo. If you had it in you, would have happen before. Give up on the glamorous and delusional dream of being a poker player if you want an unsolicited advice.

cool advice bro xD

this is a clear call when u check ur trying to cap ur range to a hand that can't call his jam should be more bluffheavy idk what ur thinking but the check should be to induce. Kd dif story.

On February 01 2016 23:42 FullBRing wrote: Fk me the guy is playing nl5 since 6 years. What a waste of time imo. If you had it in you, would have happen before. Give up on the glamorous and delusional dream of being a poker player if you want an unsolicited advice.

He's actually doing good from what I hear.

sick fold... i mean i'd prob just jam river but this could be good

In the position you put yourself in, yes it's a nice fold.

As someone who played in this game like a year ago, and I can't imagine it's changed a huge amount, this is a good fold.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Also. Big_Rob_isback i said those things like 1.5 years ago and got flamed hard for it.

This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here.
Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard.

If you 3bet small enough there will be plenty of opportunities to make hero folds, so congratulations on folding a lot. Folding, as we all know, is how you profit. The more you fold the better. As a matter of fact, folding poker altogether is the best decision here.

What's next? 0.02 NL becoming unbeatable in the near future? Poker is dead.

On February 02 2016 08:57 cariadon wrote: This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here. Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard. If you 3bet small enough there will be plenty of opportunities to make hero folds, so congratulations on folding a lot. Folding, as we all know, is how you profit. The more you fold the better. As a matter of fact, folding poker altogether is the best decision here.

his 3bet sizing & flop sizing is fine...guess that makes me a retard

GTO poker @ nl 5$

preflop is fine, pot the flop, shove/bet big on the turn.

On February 02 2016 08:57 cariadon wrote: This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here. Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard. If you 3bet small enough there will be plenty of opportunities to make hero folds, so congratulations on folding a lot. Folding, as we all know, is how you profit. The more you fold the better. As a matter of fact, folding poker altogether is the best decision here.

how can you judge pre and flop cbet sizings without the overall gameplan?
if eg he plays a lot with villain why would he choose to play his aces with an overly exploitative approach on scenarios that happen way more often than when he has monsters?
Even when playing with fish it's much tougher to know what to do vs them when they're balanced with their lines. Vs fish that 3bet or cbet huge with monsters but min3bet with their weak holdings everyone is having a field trip
I'd also bet more on this flop texture but it's insane to call someone a retard for betting halfpot

ye I didn't adjust to NL5 - was just autopiloting like I would at my stakes in all spots but the one I was focusing on (IP vs PFR) and play NL5 just because folks that come to my live sessions play these stakes

On February 02 2016 08:57 cariadon wrote: This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here. Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard. If you 3bet small enough there will be plenty of opportunities to make hero folds, so congratulations on folding a lot. Folding, as we all know, is how you profit. The more you fold the better. As a matter of fact, folding poker altogether is the best decision here.

lol wut

On February 02 2016 19:24 casinocasino wrote: preflop is fine, pot the flop, shove/bet big on the turn.

do you even play poker anymore?

I doubt whether you're even qualified enough to give advice anymore...

On February 02 2016 08:57 cariadon wrote: This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here. Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard.

People who give horrible and consistently incorrect advice in such a dickish manner should not be allowed to make strategy comments.

On February 02 2016 08:57 cariadon wrote: This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here. Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard..

are you on drugs? lol

PFR flop and turn are all fine. i'm reluctant to fold river though. i think checkcall is best. let him spaz sometimes and also bluff some missed diamonds he might have. or even just value ship KQdd or AK dd

On February 02 2016 22:01 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2016 19:24 casinocasino wrote: preflop is fine, pot the flop, shove/bet big on the turn. do you even play poker anymore? I doubt whether you're even qualified enough to give advice anymore...

Yeah I do I play a good amount of 1/2 and 2/4 NL but mostly and at this micro stakes level and probably till like nl25 you should play without any concern for table image dynamics and just play super exploitable. Having said that my level I am totally okay with having a range that bets bjg on this flop and turn.

On February 02 2016 23:13 DooMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2016 08:57 cariadon wrote: This hand is not about the river fold, it is about everything else being wrong here. Your 3bet size is shit, you will never make anything 3betting like that. Your flop cbet is attrocious. Anyone who argues these points is a retard.. are you on drugs? lol PFR flop and turn are all fine. i'm reluctant to fold river though. i think checkcall is best. let him spaz sometimes and also bluff some missed diamonds he might have. or even just value ship KQdd or AK dd

yep. more likely to get a spazz instead of a hero call on this runout imo. some of his kx that might call a rvr shove might also shv when chkd to as well.

On February 03 2016 01:16 casinocasino wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2016 22:01 TimDawg wrote:   On February 02 2016 19:24 casinocasino wrote: preflop is fine, pot the flop, shove/bet big on the turn. do you even play poker anymore? I doubt whether you're even qualified enough to give advice anymore... Yeah I do I play a good amount of 1/2 and 2/4 NL but mostly and at this micro stakes level and probably till like nl25 you should play without any concern for table image dynamics and just play super exploitable. Having said that my level I am totally okay with having a range that bets bjg on this flop and turn.

I'm sorry, I meant to quote cariadon, not you

oops

I haven't played poker for almost 3 years. It is just 5$ for a bit of clicking on the computer. A bit of fun and excitement. It is unfathomable poker has become this hard. Don't tell me it has, because i don't need to have played this game to know people are willing to gamble 5$. Nonsense.

0.05nl is definitely a tough game. Can't move up from 0.05nl in 3 years, damn. Means game is pretty much theoretically solved at these stakes.

Hey Doomer, when did you last play 0.05nl? Are you even qualified to comment here? The thought proccess of these up and coming pros is so advanced they are already past your level. These 0.05nl players game theory shit is so n-th level you can not make rational sense of it. Watch out, they're coming for your head.

Wonder if you're on drugs or just retarded cariadon :D

Sorry for being super negative. I guess it stings cause there is some truth to what i am saying.

On February 03 2016 14:02 cariadon wrote: I haven't played poker for almost 3 years. It is just 5$ for a bit of clicking on the computer. A bit of fun and excitement. It is unfathomable poker has become this hard. Don't tell me it has, because i don't need to have played this game to know people are willing to gamble 5$. Nonsense. 0.05nl is definitely a tough game. Can't move up from 0.05nl in 3 years, damn. Means game is pretty much theoretically solved at these stakes. Hey Doomer, when did you last play 0.05nl? Are you even qualified to comment here? The thought proccess of these up and coming pros is so advanced they are already past your level. These 0.05nl players game theory shit is so n-th level you can not make rational sense of it. Watch out, they're coming for your head.

Then you shouldn't give advice to anyone, including Lemon. You have exemplified in this post why no one should take your advice when it comes to poker seriously. You are clearly clueless about the state of the games.

Also having talked poker with Doomer, I can tell you he is very much qualified to post advice even though he primarily plays live only now.

So if you have nothing better to say, quit spouting off random bullshit and kindly shut the fuck up please

On February 03 2016 14:36 cariadon wrote: Sorry for being super negative. I guess it stings cause there is some truth to what i am saying.

Frankly I kinda miss the trolling good old days sometimes :/

On February 03 2016 21:19 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2016 14:02 cariadon wrote: I haven't played poker for almost 3 years. It is just 5$ for a bit of clicking on the computer. A bit of fun and excitement. It is unfathomable poker has become this hard. Don't tell me it has, because i don't need to have played this game to know people are willing to gamble 5$. Nonsense. 0.05nl is definitely a tough game. Can't move up from 0.05nl in 3 years, damn. Means game is pretty much theoretically solved at these stakes. Hey Doomer, when did you last play 0.05nl? Are you even qualified to comment here? The thought proccess of these up and coming pros is so advanced they are already past your level. These 0.05nl players game theory shit is so n-th level you can not make rational sense of it. Watch out, they're coming for your head. Then you shouldn't give advice to anyone, including Lemon. You have exemplified in this post why no one should take your advice when it comes to poker seriously. You are clearly clueless about the state of the games. Also having talked poker with Doomer, I can tell you he is very much qualified to post advice even though he primarily plays live only now. So if you have nothing better to say, quit spouting off random bullshit and kindly shut the fuck up please

Timdawg. State of the games at 0.05nl ? You can NOT be real man. What happened to you?

On February 03 2016 22:08 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2016 14:36 cariadon wrote: Sorry for being super negative. I guess it stings cause there is some truth to what i am saying. Frankly I kinda miss the trolling good old days sometimes :/

Yeah. Jokes on you though?

I don't get it

We get that you don't get it.