i have really hard time understanding how you can justify this if he is a reg playing mixed bvb strategy

I justify it by stacking his chips

Had he shown A4 it would have been hilarious

On February 26 2016 02:09 dogmeat wrote: i have really hard time understanding how you can justify this if he is a reg playing mixed bvb strategy

The hand speaks for itself, correct exploitative play on every street

Andrew Song is the illest (Biggie voice)

good thing he wasnt using nagoyas c/r strat. or u wouldve lost to a pair of 2s or 3s

thumbs up

holy shit this hand is badass

On February 26 2016 05:28 handbanana21 wrote: good thing he wasnt using nagoyas c/r strat. or u wouldve lost to a pair of 2s or 3s

who's that?

On February 26 2016 11:03 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2016 05:28 handbanana21 wrote: good thing he wasnt using nagoyas c/r strat. or u wouldve lost to a pair of 2s or 3s who's that?

Are these hands standard or did you have to put in some serious thought/ Hero call?

Damn.

On February 26 2016 15:34 Nitewin wrote: Are these hands standard or did you have to put in some serious thought/ Hero call?

for this hand, flop is non-standard. once u bet/call flop u kinda have to call turn and river. tbh i dun rly like the flop cbet, but nice read after that

thats so sick lol damn man

On February 26 2016 16:10 fira wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2016 15:34 Nitewin wrote: Are these hands standard or did you have to put in some serious thought/ Hero call? for this hand, flop is non-standard. once u bet/call flop u kinda have to call turn and river. tbh i dun rly like the flop cbet, but nice read after that

I act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes too.

On February 26 2016 16:48 Nitewin wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2016 16:10 fira wrote:   On February 26 2016 15:34 Nitewin wrote: Are these hands standard or did you have to put in some serious thought/ Hero call? for this hand, flop is non-standard. once u bet/call flop u kinda have to call turn and river. tbh i dun rly like the flop cbet, but nice read after that I act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes too.

are u implying im acting like i know what im talking about? all im doing is saying what i think bout the play broh, u dun need to get all cactus on me

villain once raises will likely have a value range of sets/2pair, straight draws and bdfds for bluffs, rarely ace high as that hand is able to call. 7 and 7 turn riv dont hit any part of the bluffing range so if u call flop thinking u're good turn and riv changes nothin. y u hatin ~_~

holy quick response batman

got n0 lyfe deez dayz i juz sit here n hit refresh ;x

On February 26 2016 16:52 fira wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2016 16:48 Nitewin wrote:   On February 26 2016 16:10 fira wrote:   On February 26 2016 15:34 Nitewin wrote: Are these hands standard or did you have to put in some serious thought/ Hero call? for this hand, flop is non-standard. once u bet/call flop u kinda have to call turn and river. tbh i dun rly like the flop cbet, but nice read after that I act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes too. are u implying im acting like i know what im talking about? all im doing is saying what i think bout the play broh, u dun need to get all cactus on me villain once raises will likely have a value range of sets/2pair, straight draws and bdfds for bluffs, rarely ace high as that hand is able to call. 7 and 7 turn riv dont hit any part of the bluffing range so if u call flop thinking u're good turn and riv changes nothin. y u hatin ~_~

Because nothing about the hand is standard for noobs like us and there's no reason to pretend otherwise. What's your limp calling range? Which 2 pair does villain have? When he bet/calls flop he's obligated to float turn and river with K high?

i'm not pretending anything, just saying what i think?

limp/call SB vs BB is pretty standard, its a unique spot in poker where BB has all the power being able to act last on every street. so a lot of hands we want to play but don't want to face an IP 3bet, we can limp/call - i like to do this with a lot of offsuit broadways and various suited hands, and raise a more polarized range of stuff like KXo, QXo, JXo (blocker bluffs) and good hands that can stand a 3bet (suited broadways for example)

flop actually kinda tough for villain to have 2pair since 83s and 82s may not be played. 23s can still be limp called i think. 88 33 22 either raised or limp/called. but overall its true villain's value range is looking pretty weak.

yes i think if we are going to bet/call flop we are obligated to call turn call river unless we have an explo read that villain will give up at some point with his bluffs. if we're gonna be folding on total blanks later on then we should just fold flop. that was the main point of my post. also that i don't rly like the cbet, we have a hand that, by betting, folds out most worse and doesnt fold out much better. there are also no good cards to continue betting on turn (aside from spiking top pair), we have no backdoor straight or flush draws

Fira valuebluffing (bluffing with hands that have marginal showdown value) is actually very valuable in poker especially on the flop. If you can get away with a bet even with ace high it's better by considerable margins rather than check. The hand is interesting because andrew was assuming villain would raise an extremely polarized range with a good amount of overcards in it and would either check/fold unimproved or continue to barrel on connecting turns and possibly overbluff river with some of these. The only hands that take this line for value in this spot are sets and the fact villain showed that hand proved all the exploitative reads were correct.
What I find more interesting is andrew's flop betsize, which is rather big considering the amount of equity advantage and lower nuts frequency he has on this flop (if he doesn't always iso raises PPs). It's by no means bad (redbaron also likes to bet big on these flops in some situations) but in today's games 30%-40%PSB have become more standard sizes on dry boards.

cloud are u talking about pure protection bets? yeah they are def +ev if u can get away with them, but i wouldn't agree it's very important, more of a cherry on top of the cake. folding out a 6outer like T9 on this flop is def nice, but u do lose more as well when villain calls with A5 or something. it's not terrible im just not a fan of the specific combo. not raggin on andrew for the play, calling down allins with K hi is never easy. and yes, i agree with you on the sizing, i like it smaller esp on dryer boards.

Folding out 25% equity or possibly more on the flop is pretty big! The 6 outer might aswell become the bottom of villains range on the river and used as a bluff to fold exactly the hands we are checking back on the flop.

fair enough. it is def a double edged sword though, so i'm pretty careful about it. interesting that u mention villain turning these hands into bluffs on river, i wonder how that affects the overall game. assuming we always ckbk flop with this hand, and turn/river are blanks, we could potentially make a hero call on river, so again it goes both ways. although we can def get semibluffed on the turn as well, which may have happened this hand had we checked.