Flush over 4flush. Tough beat.

What?

Damn part time recs spewing with KTo

Bleh I like it

On March 02 2016 16:36 traxamillion wrote: Bleh I like it

I'm just a nl50 scrub now, but KTc seems pretty weak to do it with, why not something like AcJx/AcTx , or nutbackdoor flush draw?

^all valid candidates. they are pretty much the same hand tho, only little diff between KoTc and AcJo etc. Tc nice card tho blocks some str8+flush draws and maybe the pair+fd

they're not the same hand, GTO does favor Ac greatly when running these bluffs, I mean the bluff isn't completely terrible but it does look like an exploit of some sort... against anonymous players though?

Fayths post + plus plenty of backdoor flush hands to do this with
no idea why you would go for KTo
pure spew imo

what part of the hand is a spew exactly?

flop raise seems totally standard seeing as villain's bet is so small and oop
turn pretty good card to continue betting
river another good card

pretty sure there are 3 separate decisions being made here, u can't just say "yeah spew cya" seeing as there was no significant decision that determined everything else

It's just that if we do it with KTo with Tc we are probably going to end up bluffing a fair bit too much, just bad for our range, unless you kinda decide to do this at a ridiculously low frequency

there are no 3 seperate decisions here
this board brings the ranges of hero and villain much closer together enabling us to bluff much more
once he raises the flop, any good card on the turn instantly turns the hand into a 3 barrel

this and the fact that you think villains cbet on the flop is " small " are false fundamentals

anyways, KTo blows our bluff range way overboard imo as there are much better hands to go with, or at least even if we go for the KTo it could be the Kc one

Well even though it's a bit loose it can't possibly be terrible, most of the times it will put villain's range in a tough spot

true-ish that once we raise flop it becomes a 3barrel on this runnout.

villain's cbet on flop is way small.. he's outta position on one of the wettest boards possible, and he bets about 1/3. i don't think i even have a folding range versus such a bet, my brain just registers this bet as a check. calling = checking back, raising = betting.

He widens to K10c here because of preflop and their positions. Villain can have tons of unsuited Kx/Ax hands so even though we don't block nut flushes we do add in a lot of call/call/fold combos. In this spot many people bet/call AK/AQ shit AJ on the flop with BdNFD and villain will have all the offsuit combos here whereas if Andrew opened in EP villain wouldn't. By not blocking nut flushes we give villain 12 calling hands but we actually add a similar amount of Ax unsuited that calls 2 and folds river. Just pointing out the tradeoff from these specific positions.

Plus they are deep and Andrew can rep tons of flushes while conversely villain will be calling flop and turn quite a bit. All jj/qq/kk/AA especially with a club.10c blocks combodraws that may 3bet flop/jam Turn plus obviously blocking one nut flush combo, one king high etc. So decent.

Just because we bluff this doesn't mean we bluff all better clubs all the time and way overbluff the spot. This appears to be a good bluff spot not even considering blockers at first glance unless you are playing some super pro balanced player

On March 02 2016 23:03 fira wrote: true-ish that once we raise flop it becomes a 3barrel on this runnout. villain's cbet on flop is way small.. he's outta position on one of the wettest boards possible, and he bets about 1/3. i don't think i even have a folding range versus such a bet, my brain just registers this bet as a check. calling = checking back, raising = betting.

although you do have to call more and raise more against 1/3, you definitely have to fold part of your range, I mean 1/3 is very standard flop sizing nowadays in several situation

On March 02 2016 23:48 Fayth wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2016 23:03 fira wrote: true-ish that once we raise flop it becomes a 3barrel on this runnout. villain's cbet on flop is way small.. he's outta position on one of the wettest boards possible, and he bets about 1/3. i don't think i even have a folding range versus such a bet, my brain just registers this bet as a check. calling = checking back, raising = betting. although you do have to call more and raise more against 1/3, you definitely have to fold part of your range, I mean 1/3 is very standard flop sizing nowadays in several situation

mm yeah there is a tiny part of a calling range that completely misses this board, stuff like A2d and other one-high-one-low suited combos, but in general on this wet of a board, most combos will have at least 2 overs or some kind of draw. it would be very different if the board was like A22 or whatev (obv), but on this board i still interpret small bet (especially one made from OOP) as a check, or basically a bet that's made with entire range and doesn't say anything at all

well if you never fold a hand like QJss there, you are burning money

i wouldn't fold QJss to that sizing tbh... maybe it's a leak but i dislike folding to small sizings when IP. OOP diff story

Yo have to defend at least 74% of your pf calling range to make his bluffs break even, so you have to fold your worst hands I suppose a hand like QJ with no BDFD falls into that category on that board

A2s A3s A5s A6s A8s maybe some KXs Q8s etc, as i mentioned the high-low suited with no bdfd im foldin, 2overs na QJ even got some backdoor str8 draws

really depends how much he is cbetting with this sizing. If they are cbetting a lot more with this sizing then we should be floating a ton and they wont be able to do anything about it because they have to c/f too much air on the turn. But if they are still cbetting a standard 50%ish, then you're adjustment should be smaller.