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Handnr: 1063462
Submitted by : AndrewSong

PokerStars Hand #3250406651: Holdem No Limit ($10/$20) - 2016/03/14 5:32:40
Table #10526749 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PLR_7975190FT ($2,066 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($3,291 in chips)
Seat 3: PLR_7943617BK ($3,673 in chips)
Seat 5: PLR_7696902HP ($3,019 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $10
PLR_7943617BK: posts big blind $20

Holecards
Dealt to Hero QcKd
PLR_7696902HP: folds
PLR_7975190FT: folds
Hero: raises $50 to $60
PLR_7943617BK: raises $180 to $200
Hero: calls $140

Flop (Pot : $400.00)

   2s8dKc
Hero: checks
PLR_7943617BK: bets $200
Hero: calls $200

Turn (Pot : $800.00)

   2s8dKc7d
Hero: checks
PLR_7943617BK: checks

River (Pot : $800.00)

   2s8dKc7dAc
Hero: checks
PLR_7943617BK: bets $500
Hero: raises $2,200 to $2,200
PLR_7943617BK: folds
Uncalled bet ($1,700) returned to Hero
PLR_7943617BK: Seat re-join
Hero: doesnt show hand
Hero collected $1798 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1800 | Rake $2.00
Board  2s8dKc7dAc
Seat 1: PLR_7975190FT (button) showed
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) won ($1798)
Seat 3: PLR_7943617BK (big blind) showed
Seat 5: PLR_7696902HP showed

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austrian oak   Belgium. Mar 18 2016 14:00. Posts 520

Pokerstars has anonymous tables now?

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Fayth    Canada. Mar 18 2016 18:04. Posts 10085

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -FloofyLast edit: 18/03/2016 20:18

Nitewin   United States. Mar 18 2016 18:52. Posts 1552

WHAT A BEAST THIS GUY IS


Ryan Neilly   United States. Mar 19 2016 03:36. Posts 1639

getting sicker n sicker man keep it up


traxamillion   United States. Mar 19 2016 05:23. Posts 10468

I know it's an ego boost but can u stop advertising how soft this site is


AndrewSong    United States. Mar 19 2016 07:18. Posts 2355

if anyone else post hands it's cool, but when I do it its an ego boost?


Nitewin   United States. Mar 19 2016 19:49. Posts 1552


  On March 19 2016 06:18 AndrewSong wrote:
if anyone else post hands it's cool, but when I do it its an ego boost?



Genuine Compliment + Sarcasm I think. Pokerstars is not soft but it is for you. Therefore, you're a beast, which is boosting your ego. No offense intended.


Nitewin   United States. Mar 19 2016 19:53. Posts 1552

Nvm if it's bovada. I get raped on Bovada. Help me.

 Last edit: 19/03/2016 19:53

handbanana21   United States. Mar 19 2016 20:52. Posts 3037

nothing about these hands would make me believe bovada is soft.


lebowski   Greece. Mar 19 2016 21:12. Posts 9205


  On March 19 2016 19:52 handbanana21 wrote:
nothing about these hands would make me believe bovada is soft.

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

traxamillion   United States. Mar 19 2016 23:56. Posts 10468

I bitch at neilly and others for the same thing actually.


traxamillion   United States. Mar 20 2016 00:09. Posts 10468

And this set is different from previous ones mostly just good plays good hands except for that guy spewing off 500bb with AK.

But don't try to pretend it is not softer. U think fish, otb, katya are folding AK 3ways at 10/20 on the flop after they make a cbet and face a small c/r (edit: on A J 5 or w/e)? No.

 Last edit: 20/03/2016 00:12

AndrewSong    United States. Mar 20 2016 00:49. Posts 2355


  On March 19 2016 23:09 traxamillion wrote:
And this set is different from previous ones mostly just good plays good hands except for that guy spewing off 500bb with AK.

But don't try to pretend it is not softer. U think fish, otb, katya are folding AK 3ways at 10/20 on the flop after they make a cbet and face a small c/r (edit: on A J 5 or w/e)? No.



how did he spew off 500bb? this reg is a world class player, who I found out to be a friend after I shared the hand in a group chat after posting here. there's no other option than a snap call with his exact holding with the limited amount of info he had of me from this match. There's no way I was folding vs him if our hands were reversed as well. Also, a lot his money was my money.

Looking at your hand history, your last known game stakes is $20 dollar sit and go. I have to assume you are no authority to judge the quality of regulars at 10/20, yet you talk like you are face crushing 10/20 on bovada. I'm not gonna say it's not soft, as the top russians aren't sitting around the clock, but it's very naive to think there's no other top tier regs playing on the site.


traxamillion   United States. Mar 20 2016 05:04. Posts 10468

i don't know a single high stakes player who posts hands themselves to forums. It is only railtards posting observed hands in nvg

i think u might be referring to a 50 huplo sng which i play for fun?

and no i don't have money to play 10/20 there but i'm regularly in the 100zone and 200zone pool when it runs and play some 400-60o ring.

never said u were bad either/quite the opposite but if those russians realize how much better these games are it would be worthwhile for them to head over.


traxamillion   United States. Mar 20 2016 05:12. Posts 10468

of course there are good regs im just talking about game quality in general. it is mostly american pros (a lot good, a lot washed up- doubt they have pio running around the clock like the lobby holders on stars). Shit i'll openly admit ur better than me but I just don't see the value in posting certain high stakes hands if the point isn't to get feedback or discuss them at all.

You basically posted a graph of you face crushing bovada which can be construed as you being great which is fine OR as bovada being easy which could potentially be a detriment to the fish/regfish crusher ratio and hurt our bottom lines. I doubt it really matters though so do your thing. Your hands are well played but i wouldn't say all the villains are playing optimally


redrain0125   Canada. Mar 20 2016 05:39. Posts 5455

lol some gold comments here


AndrewSong    United States. Mar 20 2016 06:10. Posts 2355

lol, so you think bovada is your entitled gold mine and want to keep it a secret for your self, yet you're bringing attention to it more than anyone else and starting a discussion on the softness of the site. well hey, i was banned from bovada/bodog 2years ago for winning too much and have been singing songs to every reg i know to play there. now that i got my account re-enabled, it only seems like i've only made a slight dent in the highest stakes from my singing. come on over~ water is warm


TianYuan    Korea (South). Mar 20 2016 09:20. Posts 6817

Bovada isn't even available for non-americans is it (legitimately anyway)? I'd assume most people already know about it.

Or is it just Korea specifically that is blocked ;d? Eitherway it says they do not offer services in my area.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 20/03/2016 09:22

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 20 2016 09:51. Posts 9634

lol @ 500bb AKs call being a spew, quite standard Andrew just had the perfect line, villain cant fold though

If anything is a spew its the guy that supposedly folded AQ where Andrew x/shoved river on xxQKQ , thats pretty terrible by villain

 Last edit: 20/03/2016 09:52

traxamillion   United States. Mar 20 2016 19:55. Posts 10468

[QUOTE]On March 20 2016 08:20 TianYuan wrote:
Bovada isn't even available for non-americans is it (legitimately anyway)? I'd assume most people already know about it.

Or is it just Korea specifically that is blocked ;d? Eitherway it says they do not offer services in my area.[/QUOTE

stars is blocked for americans; yet 100s-1000s are vpning there.

And if that 360bb river call is such a standard snap can you explain to me Song's bluffing range when villain holds AKcc? Doubt he has a ton of draws calling that turn pot so what he turns 88-JJ/QQ into a bluff always and V just has to snap?

not even saying it is actually bad it is more of a cooler as obviously it is hard for villain to have a better hand here than he does; it was actually me just doubting if Song bluffs enough here for it to really be a call. Not looking at the play in a vacuum or in software.



PoorUser    United States. Mar 20 2016 20:18. Posts 7471

just wow dude. so much nope in a single thread.

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YoMeR   United States. Mar 20 2016 21:25. Posts 12438

lolll

sure there's people dumping into the games but theres also beasts like andrewsong bulldozing everyone.

eZ Life. 

HungarianGOD   . Mar 20 2016 21:28. Posts 459

First of all, I find the hands enjoyable to see and potentially educational. Definitely think posting hands can help shed light on what the kind of thinking that very high-level players do, so thank you for that Andrew.

Trax man, I'm not sure if you are purposely trying to be ironic or not, but I think it is YOU who is bringing all the attention to Bovada about being soft, not Andrew. These are just hands posted, some of them very interesting or cool, not even marked as being on Bovada (I don't know much about different online rooms and which have anonymous games and which don't, I honestly wouldn't have known these were on Bovada until someone other than Andrew started talking about it), but it seems like in every few hands that is posted you thunder in with "holy shitballs omg Bovada is so soft fuck me jesus" followed by "Andrew stop drawing attention to how soft Bovada is." Somewhat comical to me; just my 2 cents of course

 Last edit: 20/03/2016 21:29

traxamillion   United States. Mar 21 2016 01:42. Posts 10468

All I know is i was balling out of control on Cake Poker back in the day (when i was terrible at poker other than insticts- hadn't watched a training video or read up on any game theory AT ALL at this point) before word spread and the vultures swooped in and with the declining situation on Stars i'm fucking baffled more people haven't already been making their way over and the same shit is not repeating. Maybe its the table cap or people don't like not being able to datamine opponents but you can get around that first one at least. Last I will say on the matter since you are right I am now putting it on blast myself. GL all


PanoRaMa   United States. Mar 21 2016 10:24. Posts 1655

Come on trax, you've been around here long enough. I always disliked it when people tried to dictate what hands should or shouldn't be uploaded.

I don't play poker anymore and the only thing that brings me back to this site is to look at some cool hands posted in the sidebar. Would be a massive shame if people stopped posting, especially sickos like andrew.

And tbh, even if andrew rolled out a banner that said how soft the site was, I doubt 2016 LP.net traffic would make a noticeable dent to your bottom line. Each hand gets about 50-100 unique views for the most part.

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Dinewbie   United States. Mar 21 2016 19:38. Posts 58


  On March 21 2016 09:24 PanoRaMa wrote:
Come on trax, you've been around here long enough. I always disliked it when people tried to dictate what hands should or shouldn't be uploaded.

I don't play poker anymore and the only thing that brings me back to this site is to look at some cool hands posted in the sidebar. Would be a massive shame if people stopped posting, especially sickos like andrew.

And tbh, even if andrew rolled out a banner that said how soft the site was, I doubt 2016 LP.net traffic would make a noticeable dent to your bottom line. Each hand gets about 50-100 unique views for the most part.


+10000... fwiw Bovada is SOOOO SOOOOOOO SOFT!! EVERYONE SHOULD GO PLAY

Btw I am Fujikura 

careface_   Canada. Mar 22 2016 23:24. Posts 788

It's fine to post those hands, the hands aren't that soft looking + not so many people knew it was Bovada before traxa went on a rant to make sure everybody knew that 1. it was bovada hands, 2. the site was soft as hell

I understand his point and agree with it, it just completely doesn't apply here and chatting about it is so paradoxal.

Anyway, I don't agree AK is a snap in the 500bb hand, I'm pretty sure you are unbalanced as fk in the spot. But we will never know, those spots are pretty rare, that's a reason I also tend to not think it's a snap at all. But, with the little info/historic/game flow you had, not saying it's a fold either.


Ryan Neilly   United States. Mar 23 2016 00:21. Posts 1639

bovada is a good site, but so are all the others. acr is a lil tougher. WSOP.COM in Las Vegas is the EASIEST site in the USA hands down, by a long margin in my experience. Way better than bovada, although bovada is the best for almost everyone outside LV. I imagine Jersey sites are really amazing too. Theres 60/10 whales everywhere in those games.


JonnyCosMo   United States. Mar 23 2016 19:02. Posts 7292

im so confused, and i dont want to read all the posts to answer my confusion.

#leavingconfused

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

 

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