hand is bugged, turn pot is 750 and I overbet, river pot is 3k
my size on the river is a bit weird because my range for overbetting turn should be very polar and I dont have many thin values, I believe I should be overbetting or checking with my entire range ??

I bet this amount because I didnt expect to get raised much since he cant rep much, doubt he would slowplay a set on this board 3way, but its a weird spot now that I got raised

HIGH STAKES BABY

feels like check calling river would work better with this particular hand, guess we gotta call some of the time here as played

why do you think you should be overbetting or checking in a 3way pot with an uncapped range from player 4 and on a drying board where you wont be very polarized? and I think river is very spewy and our betting range should be more polarized especially if the opener has a balanced checkback range on the flop

On June 19 2016 05:37 Baalim wrote: why do you think you should be overbetting or checking in a 3way pot with an uncapped range from player 4 and on a drying board where you wont be very polarized? and I think river is very spewy and our betting range should be more polarized especially if the opener has a balanced checkback range on the flop

are you talking about overbetting turn or river ?
Im not very familiar with 3 handed ranges and multiway pots to be honest, but I would be very surprised if overbetting isnt the correct size on this turn when BTN range is very capped and I have all the sets and A4 and 64s in my range

Im not that worried with the SB since he didnt lead turn, I think he's more likely to be weak, and if he does anything else other than folding I dont have a very hard decision with any part of my range

On June 19 2016 06:06 drone666 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2016 05:37 Baalim wrote: why do you think you should be overbetting or checking in a 3way pot with an uncapped range from player 4 and on a drying board where you wont be very polarized? and I think river is very spewy and our betting range should be more polarized especially if the opener has a balanced checkback range on the flop are you talking about overbetting turn or river ? Im not very familiar with 3 handed ranges and multiway pots to be honest, but I would be very surprised if overbetting isnt the correct size on this turn when BTN range is very capped and I have all the sets and A4 and 64s in my range Im not that worried with the SB since he didnt lead turn, I think he's more likely to be weak, and if he does anything else other than folding I dont have a very hard decision with any part of my range

I mean turn and I would be very surprised if overbetting is the correct size, actually I cant think of many spots where ONLY overbets is the correct line if overbet is an option here theres has to be splitted ranges.

Yes when your overbet is called by the SB its an easy shut down BUT you already made a big mistake EV wise when he does, what would you with a middle strenght hand here?

river is too thin and turn overbet has an unnecessary polarizing effect on everyones ranges unless done as some sort of an exploit

I think it depends what his range is capped to. Would he ever have a set here? Unlikely. 2/overpair Jamming? No. 68? Yes. Missed club/combo draw? Yes. 67 type of hand with straight blockers trying to rep the straight? Yes. Checked back straight? Yes. Make your calculations and see if your line and the river call is +EV.

The empire backing you?

Results?

I like the turn overbet and don't think calling river would be bad either

On June 23 2016 11:47 Nitewin wrote: Results?

I would call here. and expect to see a2cc a3cc (mostly44 45). that would make him less scared of a4 and 46. And he puts u more on a merged value bet since u didnt overbet river.

I folded, I think I shouldve called

any merit in check calling river?

unsure what you are getting value from when betting your 9 here. not sure he looks you up often with worse (will happen but not often)

i dont believe his range is capped as you say, a decent portion of his range are very strong holding (flopped it, 68, etc)

a portion of your range is also pretty nuttish,
i believe he knows all of this, which makes the hand pretty damn tricky.

you need a better plan for this hand, if you are going to put yourself in a spot you are bet/folding river, vs a player who will be able to pull the trigger river as a bluff, I wouldnt put myself in that position,


so basically, you are not getting that much real value by betting river,
you are not ready to call the shove in this close spot
you will get shoved on more than we think after taking that line, by nuts, and by bluffs with blockers.


all this being basic stuff and not great analysis (weve got no info on vilain which screws this hand up completely),

i go on the weak side and check/re-evaluate, mostly because i know i am not gonna bet/call and dont want to bet/fold + i dont see that much value in betting