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Handnr: 1067223
Submitted by : Fildun

PokerStars Hand #156049628326: Tournament #1619785481, $0.45+$0.05 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2016/07/16 14:38:21 ET
Table 1619785481 4 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 6: ChrissOnTilt (19963 in chips)
Seat 7: kawhileo (48075 in chips)
Seat 8: ronaldoleao (31002 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero (35960 in chips)
ChrissOnTilt: posts the ante 150
kawhileo: posts the ante 150
ronaldoleao: posts the ante 150
Hero: posts the ante 150
kawhileo: posts small blind 800
ronaldoleao: posts big blind 1600

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero TdKd
Hero: raises 1600 to 3200
ChrissOnTilt: folds
kawhileo: calls 2400
ronaldoleao: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $8,600.00)

   5sAs7s
kawhileo: bets 1600
Hero: calls 1600

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $11,800.00)

   5sAs7sTc
kawhileo: bets 1600
Hero: calls 1600

River (Pot : $15,000.00)

   5sAs7sTcQh
kawhileo: bets 4000
Hero: calls 4000

Showdown
kawhileo: shows 9cJh (high card Ace)
Hero: shows TdKd (a pair of Tens)
Hero collected 23000 from pot

Summary
Total pot 23000 | Rake 0
Board  5sAs7sTcQh
Seat 6: ChrissOnTilt (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: kawhileo (small blind) showed 9cJh and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: ronaldoleao (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Hero showed TdKd and won (23000) with a pair of Tens

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Fildun   Netherlands. Jul 16 2016 19:52. Posts 7

Started playing real money poker a couple days ago, so by all accounts I'm 100% a fish but this was still a fun hand imo.

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lebowski   Greece. Jul 16 2016 20:45. Posts 9205

I'd prefer minraising over calling if I'm not folding flop, calling glues your hand to the fold button on almost every turn (also this one if villain had bet properly)

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Fildun   Netherlands. Jul 16 2016 21:03. Posts 7

He played a couple hands like this earlier, plus he played like 40% of hands anyways so my plan was to checkraise turn, but then the 10 hit and I thought it would be better to let him possibly bluff the river as well. But I know nothing about poker so I'll just follow your advice next time

I have a couple questions though, why minraise? I'm raising all of my good hands bigger than that, so it makes sense to raise bigger with bluffs as well there right?
I also thought that 4-handed it was a pretty clear open, or do good players shove on you with such frequency that it makes it bad? Or should I just open shove?

 Last edit: 16/07/2016 21:07

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Jul 16 2016 23:22. Posts 3096

imo your stack is way too big to openshove, I generally don't like doing that with more than 12-13 bb, and I don't think I've ever done it with more than 15. to be fair I'm totally out of the loop, maybe 3betshoves are so frequent and calls so infrequent now that the openshove stack has increased, but either way, preflop is fine.

flop I would agree with you that a small raise is better than a minraise. I mean, the reason why you're not just folding flop is that the guy is minraising - if he made it 5k you'd most likely just let it go. That logic applies to him also - he's unlikely to fold to you minraising, even with garbage. I think around 6500 you start to get good FE- that's the amount I'd be betting if I had like ace with high spade kicker. Calling is honestly really bad because you might be drawing dead, even a naked ace has you virtually dead, and only 4 cards improve your hand. It is far more likely that a turn card improves his hand than that it improves your hand, somehow you lucked out here but it was just luck.

Once you do call flop and spike your 10, I think it's totally sound to just call turn and river against this type of player, and in general I also don't mind floating the flop against this type of player, but this really is one of the worst possible flops for the hand you are holding. Like, there are literally no flops that are significantly worse than this one. And therefore it's a terrible flop to float - but it's still okay to raise it to take it down immediately, especially with you being the initial aggressor.

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lebowski   Greece. Jul 17 2016 12:28. Posts 9205

I mean a raise that's not too big, not necessarily a click back. The reason is that you're mostly interested that he folds his trashy/air hands. You probably seem like you have a wider range if you raise smaller and in general it's almost as tough to play against when you're oop as a bigger raise (and cheaper when you have your own air.)
I do this sometimes in cash games vs people who always seem to donk monotone flops but in general I'd fold if I didn't think they overdo it

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Fildun   Netherlands. Jul 17 2016 18:23. Posts 7

Thanks for the tips guys, appreciate it.
Decided to try my hand at some knockout tourneys, they seemed like fun, but today definitely was not a lucky day.
In KOs, are you supposed to play hyper aggressive? I had a couple people who played that way at my first table but it didn't see too effective to me, they constantly ran into higher pairs or higher aces etc.
Salt: (Didn't really matter for them, I got 50 BB in before the flop with AA against 22, but he won anyway)


 

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