wow his bluff seems so horrible that i'd have trouble calling

exactly my thoughts + saying " what?" a lot before calling

On September 24 2016 23:01 asdf2000 wrote: wow his bluff seems so horrible that i'd have trouble calling

haven't played poker in 3 years and feel the same

his bluff seems ok to me, unsure what you guys are on about, are we saying villain should never bluff here?

I don't hate it either, although I'm not sure this is the hand I'd choose to do it with or if he can find better combos, would need to think some more about that. He obviously can have value. 55, 54s, 53s all make sense, K5s might be borderline preflop too, could potentially jam 66 for value, given he has some value combos he should have some bluffs, though given he has a low number of value combos he def needs to be careful how often he bluffs or he'll be super imbalanced towards bluffs. I'd probably prefer to bluff turn small and overbet jam river in his shoes to this anyway personally

I mean as played he is at rock bottom of range by the river unless he floats all A high down to A7cc A7dd and A7hh

Doesn't really matter from a theory perspective whether we're at rock bottom of range or not, that's not always an indicator that we should bluff. We have to fold some too, rock bottom of range is not a bad choice for a fold either right? Anything that isn't good enough to call is a viable bluff, it's more important to pick bluffs that best block value combinations and don't block bluff combinations. I'm just not sure what blockers we'd want/not want though

we do block A5 that could potentially play like that some of the time but that's about it, in a lot of situations it's fine to use rock bottom of range for bluffs

I agree that in a lot of situations it's a good indicator of when to bluff, but more so when your options are to check to lose or to bluff and less so when it's facing a bet and your options are bluff raise or fold. In the latter case anything that's folding is worth the same anyway, so blockers are a bit more important for decided when to bluff raise it. I just dunno about this spot since I dunno what hero should be bet/calling, what value combos he shows up with and what bluff combos he shows up with so not sure which blockers are best. A5 is possible for hero, though I would expect it bets turn a lot too. Don't expect hero to have much 5x at all in general and we don't really have good blockers to his 5x hands. I mean, A4s blocks 54s and A5s I suppose, that might be the best candidate to bluff raise. Maybe these missed AT-AQ floats might be next best, would have to run a sim but I just can't be arsed!

yeah I think in this particular spot there are very few ways we can have relevent blockers (I think Ah might be better than Ad but I don't think it's really that big of a difference) to bluff shove thus it becomes more of a frequency thing, and given our value shoving range is pretty thin we def shouldn't be shoving ou Ax floats every single time, could even be less than 1 combo depending on our strategy on the turn

On September 27 2016 03:34 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: K5s might be borderline preflop too

really?

On September 28 2016 12:37 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2016 03:34 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: K5s might be borderline preflop too really?

In the simple postflop pack, it has BTN opening 45.2% of range to 2.25bb, against a BB 3bet it has K5s 4betting around half and calling around half with a small smidgen of folds. K7s never folds, K6s and down folds some. I know this is vs a SB 3bet, but SB is probably 3betting more aggressively than BB would so we should be inclined to defend even more often if anything

I would probably have a lot of difficulty calling vs unknown when I think about it, as there is no way he s bluffing enough in this spot.

think he needs to bet the turn to get this through.....ever OtR

anyways nc