std 4x pot lol

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what hands bet like that? does he bet all his crap combo draws, sets, and good 2 pairs like that?

he doesn't play 3 bet pots often, but when he does he jams flop

On September 14 2017 14:00 Nitewin wrote: what hands bet like that? does he bet all his crap combo draws, sets, and good 2 pairs like that?

how would i know that. i have looked at every single hand he played this year that went to showdown but it's not really enough hands to give you a range. Just put it in solver and see what it says. using non-standard sizings has always often been a good idea in the history of poker as people play far from gto against something they havnt seen before, examples of this can be isildur being unable to adjust to min-opens, or regs when they first faced limping strategies, or regs not c/r enough when they first faced small cbet sizings. I think it is one of the best ways to get an edge on the field

Also a good thing to note is that hhecklen should almost never (assuming before adjusting) checks set, straight, 2pair here, therefore, capping his range to jam.

On September 14 2017 14:43 Stroggoz wrote: he doesn't play 3 bet pots often, but when he does he jams flop

^ lol

On September 14 2017 15:05 Nitewin wrote: Also a good thing to note is that hhecklen should almost never (assuming before adjusting) checks set, straight, 2pair here, therefore, capping his range to jam.

no at those stakes you dont cap your ranges in spots as common as this

which one are you?

im otb red baron, look up my results on highstakesdb

Ha, thats awesome man I didn't know you were redbaron. I think we use to play alot together, name is very familiar!

On September 14 2017 15:05 Nitewin wrote: Also a good thing to note is that hhecklen should almost never (assuming before adjusting) checks set, straight, 2pair here, therefore, capping his range to jam.

Assuming. Why would you ever assume decent players at any semi-serious limit not checking nutted hands on such a specifically wet board ?

i like to cbet about 12-15% sizing with a wide range on this flop if im hhecklen. Pio likes it too, and it is a good strategy vs weaker opponents as they will not adjust correctly. yeah you can check nutted hand's that make good use of combinatorics. i guess pio may like checking TT, JJ, AA here some % of the time, and hands like K9ss as well maybe. I'm just guessing, havn't run the sims.

On September 15 2017 06:15 Stroggoz wrote: im otb red baron, look up my results on highstakesdb

wat? are you not trolling? :O

On September 15 2017 11:47 BlizzY wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2017 15:05 Nitewin wrote: Also a good thing to note is that hhecklen should almost never (assuming before adjusting) checks set, straight, 2pair here, therefore, capping his range to jam. Assuming. Why would you ever assume decent players at any semi-serious limit not checking nutted hands on such a specifically wet board ?

In general you bet your nutted hands on wet boards so runouts don't kill your action. If you don't bet your nutted hands here, what are you betting? or do you have a cbet range at all?

On September 15 2017 06:43 wobbly_au wrote: Ha, thats awesome man I didn't know you were redbaron. I think we use to play alot together, name is very familiar!

lol he is fucking with you, Red Baron is considered the best no limit player in the world right now

On September 16 2017 02:31 Nitewin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2017 11:47 BlizzY wrote:   On September 14 2017 15:05 Nitewin wrote: Also a good thing to note is that hhecklen should almost never (assuming before adjusting) checks set, straight, 2pair here, therefore, capping his range to jam. Assuming. Why would you ever assume decent players at any semi-serious limit not checking nutted hands on such a specifically wet board ? In general you bet your nutted hands on wet boards so runouts don't kill your action. If you don't bet your nutted hands here, what are you betting? or do you have a cbet range at all?

well protecting nut hands from bad run outs is a good reason to bet but poker is just a lot more complex than that. There are multiple reasons that hands should be played the way they are. so for example it can be gto to raise bottom pair weak kicker against a cbet BBvSB, there are a lot of reasons that go into why that is a good play.

On September 16 2017 02:31 Nitewin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2017 11:47 BlizzY wrote:   On September 14 2017 15:05 Nitewin wrote: Also a good thing to note is that hhecklen should almost never (assuming before adjusting) checks set, straight, 2pair here, therefore, capping his range to jam. Assuming. Why would you ever assume decent players at any semi-serious limit not checking nutted hands on such a specifically wet board ? In general you bet your nutted hands on wet boards so runouts don't kill your action. If you don't bet your nutted hands here, what are you betting? or do you have a cbet range at all?

On superwet boards like these, there will inevitably be bad cards coming often, so by always betting nutted hands you have incredibly unprotected checking ranges and you really want to be able to profitably play rest of your range, also when scarecards come, so your strategy will be exploited hard when you always bet good hands and then have to check on bad cards, they can start overbluffing and you have no hands to protect that with. It's just common sense to have also strong holdings when checking, otherwise you become really transparent.