My GTO solver (my brain) says AA is a raise here.

What do you get value from vs what do you get beat by, with a river c/r?

Does Educa not have enough 9x here by checking turn? Therefore boats in his river b/c'ing range?

Heres my take.

AA is toward the top of our range and is partially disguised due to us checking the turn. Even if we check all overpairs and highcards we still end up with more combos of AK AQ AJ AT KQ type of hands than AA.
Another reason is what you mentioned, quite unlikely for educa poker to have 9X and that is shown as he is value betting TX hoping to get called by 8X 5X 66 AK AQ.

Combined we have, top of our range versus a likely wider range of TX, JJ for value or bluffs where our hand is disguised enough that they might call us down here.

I think LLinus obviously knows all this but maybe he is worried about a shove over the top which my proprietary GTO Solver (My brain) will probably lean towards calling said shove.

lol solver c/c river with most combos of 98 on river, and it virtually never cbets with AA on flop, or any hand for that matter. deepstack poker is nitty i guess

Can one buy a license to the GTO solver? Is it GTO guaranteed with consistent results?

On October 04 2017 11:37 Stroggoz wrote: lol solver c/c river with most combos of 98 on river, and it virtually never cbets with AA on flop, or any hand for that matter. deepstack poker is nitty i guess

Wait why doesnt it bet AA on the flop?

On October 04 2017 11:38 Nitewin wrote: Can one buy a license to the GTO solver? Is it GTO guaranteed with consistent results?

Dont know how much piosolver is, but my brain is free for picking. Just post your hand on the side and I'm happy to contribute.

solvers arn't exactly gto, since gto takes into account every single variable. solvers optimize based on a few variables you plug in, like preflop ranges, bet sizes. It's not like the word of god or anything like that, because i could be making mistakes about what their preflop ranges are, or their sizing strategies. I never comment on sb vs bb for example, since i havn't looked carefully at these guys preflop play.

On October 04 2017 11:40 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2017 11:37 Stroggoz wrote: lol solver c/c river with most combos of 98 on river, and it virtually never cbets with AA on flop, or any hand for that matter. deepstack poker is nitty i guess Wait why doesnt it bet AA on the flop?

range disadvantage

On October 04 2017 11:45 Stroggoz wrote: solvers arn't exactly gto, since gto takes into account every single variable. solvers optimize based on a few variables you plug in, like preflop ranges, bet sizes. It's not like the word of god or anything like that, because i could be making mistakes about what their preflop ranges are, or their sizing strategies. I never comment on sb vs bb for example, since i havn't looked carefully at these guys preflop play.

This is a underated sensible comment

On October 04 2017 11:40 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2017 11:37 Stroggoz wrote: lol solver c/c river with most combos of 98 on river, and it virtually never cbets with AA on flop, or any hand for that matter. deepstack poker is nitty i guess Wait why doesnt it bet AA on the flop?

Even though OOP has a stronger range on flop, it's insanely difficult to deal with a raise on this board 200bb deep. Also in the CO position, they raise cbets here 18%, with middle pairs, gutshots, sets, two pairs, straights, flush draws. I'm guessing most regs at lower stakes don't raise flops nearly this much 200bb deep, so cbetting AA as an exploitative play seems fine.

SB still has the range advantage here, but they have an EV disadvantage. Honestly i was pretty shocked by results, i guess deep poker is a whole different game. c/c river with 89 is crazy nitty haha.

On October 04 2017 11:56 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2017 11:40 wobbly_au wrote:   On October 04 2017 11:37 Stroggoz wrote: lol solver c/c river with most combos of 98 on river, and it virtually never cbets with AA on flop, or any hand for that matter. deepstack poker is nitty i guess Wait why doesnt it bet AA on the flop? Even though OOP has a stronger range on flop, it's insanely difficult to deal with a raise on this board 200bb deep. Also in the CO position, they raise cbets here 18%, with middle pairs, gutshots, sets, two pairs, straights, flush draws. I'm guessing most regs at lower stakes don't raise flops nearly this much 200bb deep, so cbetting AA as an exploitative play seems fine. SB still has the range advantage here, but they have an EV disadvantage. Honestly i was pretty shocked by results, i guess deep poker is a whole different game. c/c river with 89 is crazy nitty haha.

Quite interesting though I think it is wrong if it thinks 89 is a call.. Flop check with AA is possible, but yes we definitely have superior range.

https://gyazo.com/5bace40c683223b8f3589f19187e0189 c/r river

https://gyazo.com/5add076e444e4e8cef443ad0864eb971 flop, cbet, or check


lol, i changed CO preflop range around to include a bunch of weak hands, basically all their suited cards, (cause folding to 3bets this deep doesn't happen right?), and the oop cbet went from 5% to 60%. So even a tiny change in range advantage can massively change cbetting frequency. and on the river 98 starts to c/raise and half of 55 start c/r. QJs always calls.