PokerStars Zoom Hand #182540285694: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2) - 2018/02/15 9:55:30 ET
Table Aenna 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Stroggos_nz ($568.61 in chips)
Seat 2: brhrich ($330.68 in chips)
Seat 3: n0madzz ($307.24 in chips)
Seat 4: Smertin ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: AllTooNew ($300.90 in chips)
Seat 6: dooleslovs ($214.35 in chips)
brhrich: posts small blind $1
n0madzz: posts big blind $2
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Stroggos_nz
Smertin: folds
AllTooNew: folds
dooleslovs: folds
Stroggos_nz: raises $2.88 to $4.88
brhrich: raises $15.12 to $20
n0madzz: folds
Stroggos_nz: calls $15.12
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $42.00)
brhrich: bets $20.75
Stroggos_nz: raises $39.25 to $60
brhrich: calls $39.25
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $162.00)
brhrich: bets $50.96
Stroggos_nz: calls $50.96
River (Pot : $263.92)
brhrich: bets $90
Stroggos_nz: calls $90
Showdown
brhrich: shows (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
Stroggos_nz: shows (two pair, Nines and Sevens - Ace kicker)
Stroggos_nz collected $441.17 from pot
Summary
Total pot $443.92 | Rake $2.75
Board
Seat 1: Stroggos_nz (button) showed and won ($441.17) with two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 2: brhrich (small blind) showed and lost with two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 3: n0madzz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Smertin folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: AllTooNew folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: dooleslovs folded before Flop (didnt bet)
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zetzet   . Feb 15 2018 16:17. Posts 37 | | |
Nice flop value raise . But seriously, why would you ever do that with AQs? |
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fira   United States. Feb 16 2018 01:31. Posts 6345 | | |
^there aren't many other hands to flop bluffraise with... basically it's gotta be something like 2 overs + bdf or something along those lines. anything better can pretty much be called, and anything worse folded |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Feb 16 2018 03:15. Posts 5329 | | |
overall regs under 3bet the flop at these stakes, it allows for some more flop raises IP. I think perhaps AQss is a bit too strong, it's really minor either way. solvers 3bet this flop with random pair+gutshots all day, this game is about equities/position on the flop not outdated concepts such as bluff/value.
btw my sim raises this flop IP like 2 % of the time, and vs that 2% flop raise the solver small 3bets 35% of the time. nodelocking for human flop 3bet ranges gets you a lot more flop raises |
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fira   United States. Feb 16 2018 06:15. Posts 6345 | | |
i don't get how bluff/value ranges are outdated here... there are some hands we want to raise here for value (sets/straights) because they want to get as much money as possible in the pot against the very strongest hands in a preflop 3bet range (overpairs). when we have a value hand such as a set, we also want some protection, as well as take advantage of the opportunity to get money in before the board comes off badly as to dissuade overpairs from much further action.
in order to make up for this extremely strong raising range, we need some hands that are weakish (just almost playable, preferably blocks strong hands in villain's range), so we are not exploited by an opponent folding nearly their entire range when raised, knowing we always have the goods.
this seems like pretty straightforward and even timeless logic |
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zetzet   . Feb 16 2018 08:34. Posts 37 | | |
I haven't run sim on this one, but as you say PIO only raises 2% (even if humans don't 3bet here often it shouldn't be higher than 4-5% probably) here so adding AQs is obviously not necessary. You can probably have 0% raising range here (especially if you were 100bb deep) and be fine with it on z200. Also equities/position thing is just a little more advanced concept of bluff/value imo but in its core it applies to the same logic. |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 16 2018 13:43. Posts 15163 | | |
I'd also expect people to cbet too much
if you combine high cbet % with low 3bet you can c/r a lot actually |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Feb 16 2018 17:47. Posts 5329 | | |
cbet should be around 90-100% on this board so u cant really cbet too much. Yes pio raises 2% vs itself. vs a human, after nodelocking it raises far more. Not the low numbers like 4-5% that you suggest, but something like 12% vs someone that 3bets flop around 20%. if they 3bet flop 10% then i suspect the flop raise would go up to 20%. This is 150+ deep, 200 regs overall under 3bet flops severely in deep poker. pio picks gutshot type hands and bdfd hands like KQ/QT to raise with, i decided to call with gutshots and raise AQss. A minor mistake im sure.
It's pretty bad not to take advantage of a clear mistake people are making and have 0% flop raise. |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 16 2018 20:43. Posts 15163 | | |
Wait 100pct with half pot ? |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Feb 16 2018 20:50. Posts 5329 | | |
9 high flops are usually 100% cbet flops in BU vs BB 3bet pots, huge leak if you don't know that. i hardly sim for half pot size only, but wouldnt be suprised if it was over 90%. |
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zetzet   . Feb 16 2018 21:08. Posts 37 | | |
I checked it myself and I'm really surprised by the % differences between 3bet and non 3bet strategies,it's kinda eye opening. Thanks for that, always nice to learn something new and valueable . |
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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 16 2018 23:44. Posts 34262 | | |
raises 2% on a favorable flop for you? wow, how often does it drop if there is a flushdraw on board? |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Feb 17 2018 00:22. Posts 5329 | | |
yeah 2%, but this isn't a favorable flop for us. If it were T97 it would be like 7% flop raise probably. I guess it simply works out to be better to float IP and bluff on turn or river than to raise and face a shitstorm of small-3bets, which solvers can apparently get away with because of the range advantage. |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 17 2018 00:36. Posts 15163 | | |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 17 2018 00:39. Posts 15163 | | |
That was for 100bigs deep actually
I guess deeper with 3b/fold yeah the SCs and pairs do come into even larger 3b size |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Feb 17 2018 00:49. Posts 5329 | | |
why do you have to be that random guy who uses snowie. I cant understand half the stuff you link me haha, come over to the side of pio . p.s im getting monkey solver soon. |
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