so my value range on turn is pretty much just 22, 33, and QJ. though i may have a lot of QJ

don't think i can call turn bet even though it's multiway? so this seemed like the type of hand to bluff, as it has equity vs everything.

however i don't block any value hands that opponents may have, aside from maybe AQ (which may fold anyway)...

would it better to bluff with a 2, 3, or J instead, since then we will block value hands? the problem with that is when they do call with a set/2pair, we are pretty much dead

or perhaps not have a raising range at all on the turn? hmm

i wouldn't bluff here because I don't think they fold enough. Seems pretty risky given the action.

You rep zero value hands hahaha

Why would you play when this way, and you have only 2 combos you should play mixed between 3bet and call pre anyway

Stroggoz is being nice, this is a fucking spew dude hahaha you even block the random TQ, badly flatted AQ these geniuses might bet fold to a shove

well, do you guys think it would be better to have a raising range here or only a calling range?

if we have a raising range, we can't only raise sets/2pairs, or could we?

On March 08 2018 09:31 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Why would you play when this way, and you have only 2 combos you should play mixed between 3bet and call pre anyway

hmm i don't really mix pre very much. so i have all 22, 33, and all QJs. sometimes i might 3bet QJo, sometimes i might call.

what would be the advantage to sometimes 3betting 22, 33, and QJs here? at this stack depth it seems unnecessary to have those hands in our 3bet range, and calling seems more +ev than 3bet?

On March 08 2018 09:34 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Stroggoz is being nice, this is a fucking spew dude hahaha you even block the random TQ, badly flatted AQ these geniuses might bet fold to a shove

hmm it's true that i block hands like JT, QT, AJ, AQ, KT, T9, T8 that may bet/fold.

perhaps 65s or 64s would be better bluffs? such hands would also block some bet/folds though, from similar hands (65, 54, 64, A4, A5)

undecided about bluffing with a one-pair hand like A3s or JTs here...

QJo's a snapfold
QJs the EVs are the same for call and 3bet more or less, these hands vs unknowns you can just click buttons or use RNG and then go with always 3b or fold based on opponents stack depth etc.


And jam seems bad here with anything especially when you have just 22 33 and 1-2 QJ combos
You should be calling and have a low freq small raise range

woah small raise range o.o

... that seems good actually! we can do that with some one-pair hands that can't really call. and it puts pretty much just as much pressure on this board against one-pair value betting hands like Qx. interesting, that is something i NEVER do, but i actually think it's the best play here o.o

but QJo fold preflop in BT vs CO? idk about that... i'm nearly always 3betting at ~100bb. deeper it's more of a call imo.

dude it's not 2009xD QJo's a clear fold definitely not 3bet
you don't 3bet with the "top of your preflop folding range" that shit died out with dinosaurs xD (except bvb but even there it's heavy mixes)

it's a 3bet because of blocker value imo. QJo blocks AQ KQs AJs KJs QJs QTs JTs QQ JJ. not many hands with better blocker value. whether this translates to "top of preflop folding range" or not, i'm not sure. what would be a better way to gauge whether a hand is a 3bet or not? whether it can stand a 4bet?

Blockers + post flop playability +board coverage + range control so youre not way out of line
You block the very hands ppl fold here like qto jto kjo
Any Ax has way better blocker and it takes out 4b bluffing hands
And it's still way too loose to 3b every axo for the other reasons

I think raise to 9 or 10 is better than jamming with whatever you decide to raise with

I just checked Snowie
And the size on turn is literally a clickback +1bb (.25% pot) with a very low frequency and I really like it here (6.5bb)

I haven't been using these click back raises but I keep seeing them more and more

It might be another thing to work out after the 25% bets/leads (that i still get wrong sometimes like that XXXA board haha stroggoz)

not with AT tho thats's still a foken spew xD

Reraise preflop. Give up turn as played