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pretty standard, villian is a very good reg i think

How do you call river? What did you put him on?

No draws on the flop. Except 43s?
No draws on the turn. Hard to see him get there with J9.

If he calls double pot bet he has the T at least.
22, 55, T8, Tx could be in his value range. What's in his bluff range? J9s(not clubs), 43s, 64s(not clubs)? A3, A4 probably fold turn.

there are more backdoor draws on flop that connect with this turn

You're missing a bunch of offsuit hands nitewin, you call almost everything pre vs that size
And everything that connects with flop including all backdoor straight draws

Why you need balls of steel when you use it pre
I'll stick to my large raise or limp strategy ty very much xoxo

I don't really see the huge advantage unless you're an oop sicko
Snowie even plays a limp or minraise with big antes
And that shit and mixes is more complicated than my girlfriend when the red dragon strikes

And I wanted to say that vs smn very good you just have to close eyes call Qq and hope he really is good
It will most likely be better than Aa here as you block more Tx
And you can't just call with a T and better

Ok, add J9o and 64o? QJo and KJo folds turn.

67o (you can easily call flop with the backdoor vs that size)
34o
and you're at a lot of combos already

This is what Snowie defends
(uses half pot 3bet
But fuck him I just pot it xD)

and many people say it plays nitty against itself than real people do vs humans

Btw wow
You actually maximised equity for your hand if you played vs Snowie on flop+turn
50% PSB is range size on flop
but 25% has highest ev for QQ (after full pot)

25% PSB is range size for turn
But 2X pot has highest EV for QQ

and river easy call if you play vs snowie

- saw a Stroggoz hand with 12 comments
- expected a sick hand with discussion
- turns out its a very standard hand
- why the fuck are there 12 comments then
.....
- Lemon posted 9 consecutive comments

On April 25 2018 18:09 Nitewin wrote: How do you call river? What did you put him on? No draws on the flop. Except 43s? No draws on the turn. Hard to see him get there with J9. If he calls double pot bet he has the T at least. 22, 55, T8, Tx could be in his value range. What's in his bluff range? J9s(not clubs), 43s, 64s(not clubs)? A3, A4 probably fold turn.

i think people are supposed to fold around 15-20% to my bet on this flop so they ought to have a lot of draws. It's very easy to see them get there with J9. They have a lot of Tx but also a reasonable amount of missed draws, i think their sizing they picked was a very good one considering that ratio, and that they would only bet Tx+ for value here.

On April 25 2018 21:14 Spitfiree wrote: - saw a Stroggoz hand with 12 comments - expected a sick hand with discussion - turns out its a very standard hand - why the fuck are there 12 comments then ..... - Lemon posted 9 consecutive comments

Cool story Bro

would a 3/4 pot bet on river make villain look stronger? i mean after he calls 2x pot on turn...

did his slight over bet on river make you call or were you calling anyway?

and what if he overbet shoves?

On April 25 2018 21:00 LemOn[5thF] wrote: This is what Snowie defends (uses half pot 3bet But fuck him I just pot it xD) and many people say it plays nitty against itself than real people do vs humans

dont really understand the chart, it doesnt seem to 3bet pre with AKo, QQ sb vs bb? thats radically different from pio. are those numbers % of something? raise, and green is 100% raise?

yellow=call
green=3bet
number = %of the combo that gets also 3bet

This is vs Snowie's Limp/Raise SB ranges as it plays vs itself
biggest drawback of Snowie, especially BvB, you can't change the preflop presets

why does it 3bet a ton with weak Kxo but never Axo. That's very unmixed for a machine learner. Blank square means 0% 3bet right? IT also never 3bets with suited connectors?

it doesn't use this size btw
standard is 1/2 pot 3bet and the range would change a lot
And I'm pretty sure the sb range with the size will be different

I've seen the preflop pio charts only with limp/raise and 3X so can't compare really

range is very different from pio to say the least, not sure why

This is what it actually uses with half pot haha that it prefers

and it's not weird at all actually
because with 1/2 pot in SB it almost doesn't raise
This is SB strat with 1/2 pot

isnt half pot really small 3bet for preflop? I know PIO prefers sort of middling sizing for 3bets BB vs SB, not large nor small

I'm haven't run preflop pio myself btw
Just got it from Educa course

and You'll see snowie do all sorts of weird ass stuff when you do these small preflop raises vs it
and/or add antes and bigger stacks

I'm not sure if you've been running preflop pio with these sizes and stack depths boys and how much it would differ.

The tree will differ postflop, Snowie limits itself by using only one size in most spots post so the charts should look different

EDIT: Oh and yeah Snowie only does 1/2 pot or 2x pot also pre so if it's somewhere inbetween doesn't mean snowie's wrong using the closer preset


man listing all these limitations just shows me how lazy I am just mooching off of other people for pio and running Snowie instead heh. If it works though heh
EDIT2: I do get some word class coaching, watch the top people and don't play stars so it does seem enough.

Much Respect to Stroggoz for actually pushing through the hard work way

can one teach PiO to Nitewin?

great flop bet size to make this an ez snap call

ones flop sizing can dictate much wider turn and river ranges, making this an easy call, and any overbet an easier call. another amazing hand, great utilization of all your tools in most the hands you post. sick life

lemon, if u stop thinking of everything you've learned, and just APPLY it, and learn 15% and play 85%+ (because you are studying so damn much) - set no restrictions, play as big blinds, set stop loses, play many sessions a day, you should be fine pretty high up, at least by theory..

when i wrote play as big blinds i just meant never focus on size of pot, just look at everything in size of bbs, no fistpump winning $16, or $400, its all 1bi.

neilly dropping jewels here for ya lemon

On April 27 2018 04:31 Stroggoz wrote: neilly dropping jewels here for ya lemon

This is better than the ROFL thread for the last month

I don't get how xPastorcitox calls the turn 2x pot with the open ender
he thinks there's a ton of implied odds because his hand is disguised if he hits?
Does he consider his J outs clean?

its a an easy call on the turn with J9s and not even close, yes the implied odds are big here. I think it would be a call even with a hand like QJ

On April 25 2018 18:09 Nitewin wrote: How do you call river? What did you put him on? No draws on the flop. Except 43s? No draws on the turn. Hard to see him get there with J9. If he calls double pot bet he has the T at least. 22, 55, T8, Tx could be in his value range. What's in his bluff range? J9s(not clubs), 43s, 64s(not clubs)? A3, A4 probably fold turn.

you realize this is 3 handed between good players right? villain is much wider on flop than you are giving him credit for.

On April 28 2018 19:35 Stroggoz wrote: I think it would be a call even with a hand like QJ

He can't really call on a Q/J river and can't extract value if you check to him on those rivers either, he'd just be setting himself up for a tough spot and be overbluffing, no ?

On April 27 2018 03:37 Ryan Neilly wrote: lemon, if u stop thinking of everything you've learned, and just APPLY it, and learn 15% and play 85%+ (because you are studying so damn much) - set no restrictions, play as big blinds, set stop loses, play many sessions a day, you should be fine pretty high up, at least by theory..

I am fine pretty high up Neilly
Have had 7 consecutive winning months small/midstakes now
That's what happens when you stick with pete and don't try to re-invent the wheel every month Neilly

On April 28 2018 19:16 lebowski wrote: I don't get how xPastorcitox calls the turn 2x pot with the open ender he thinks there's a ton of implied odds because his hand is disguised if he hits? Does he consider his J outs clean?

Vs someone who obviously will have bluffs here and c/f river range you also have to add river bluff equity vs a check into the equation

QJ does seem too loose tho to me

On April 27 2018 20:37 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2018 04:31 Stroggoz wrote: neilly dropping jewels here for ya lemon This is better than the ROFL thread for the last month

You know I realized some time back after watching H3h3 with Tai Lopez
that most self-help "gurus", people posting advice on facebook etc. are just learning and trying hard to teach to themselves things they can't seem to keep doing.
So I think it's wonderful neilly is discovering these grounbreaking concepts like think in terms of BB for himself finally

Lemon you think you are the only one that studies, how cute

lemon not all of us need our hand held every step of the way, pokers a pretty simple game, peter didn't do any coaching after we moved to chinese sites, so it was pretty much done then, im way better off now than then.

Not wasting any more energy to you, hagd.