i play this 100% the same, i prolly bet like $10 more on flop, on river i think u can find some check folds a lil more often since your pretty face up as KJ++ though, (yeah u have some other high pairs but in general KJss-AK)

Many pocket pairs are continuing the turn. Could have A5s here too. Don't know if you have a 33, 55 3-betting strategy.

Still having a hard time finding bluffs in his range. 67s, A2/A4s, A3 spades?

Value betting KQ?

5x, 33, AA close I guess, not that many value hands either.

Are A2-A5s supposed to be in the call vs sqz range though? Feels a bit weak and setting yourself for a bad spot

I don't see how we can fold vs a rec

not to be results oriented but I'd rather c/raise turn vs that size, looks too much like a block bet and they probably shut down on every river they don't hit, may check back KT/KJ/KQ river as well

ah yeah definitely gotta x/r a lot more vs the smaller bets. It didn't look like a block bet to me because that ought to be their size regardless of what their value hand is.

On April 29 2018 14:49 Ryan Neilly wrote: i play this 100% the same, i prolly bet like $10 more on flop, on river i think u can find some check folds a lil more often since your pretty face up as KJ++ though, (yeah u have some other high pairs but in general KJss-AK)

bet $10 flop.. c/c c/f LOL

On May 02 2018 01:12 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2018 14:49 Ryan Neilly wrote: i play this 100% the same, i prolly bet like $10 more on flop, on river i think u can find some check folds a lil more often since your pretty face up as KJ++ though, (yeah u have some other high pairs but in general KJss-AK) bet $10 flop.. c/c c/f LOL

yea pretty face up as KJ+, because QQ and lower folds turn obv, so you need to fold, because who would bluff such a strong range, after showing so much strength as betting 1/4 and calling 1/3 on turn ?

butcher it all u want, everytime im in this spot it seems i get stacked after i take this exact line (on these type of rivers in 3bet pots when i bet tptk otf + ott vs recs who have wide ranges)

He bets 10 MORE on the flop so 1/3
And yeah the concept is the same - vs smn bad/explo playing when you c/c turn you pretty much only have showdown value
so they check back shitloads not wantign to bluff into that, why Locoo was posting that here too that it feels like river will go x/x too much

So I can see how Neilly would consider a fold on some big river bets when you bet bigger on the flop.
Yeah it's just plain wrong when you play unknowns or good players, you can almost never fold a bluffcatcher when you beat thin valuebets (like KQ) even when he does make it big
And people are good enough to always have at least some bluffs in their ranges

But it's not completely ludicrous come on guys out of all the Neilly statements, if you shit on the guy at least get your facts straight boys

They are very wide preflop-and are supposed to fold to cbet around 18-22% vs this size-if they are following a gto based strategy. I was trapping clearly and printing money c/c the river. I'll admit games run far nittier at lower stakes so it doesn't print to c/c river there, merely it makes a good amount of money.

On May 02 2018 07:22 Ryan Neilly wrote: butcher it all u want, everytime im in this spot it seems i get stacked after i take this exact line (on these type of rivers in 3bet pots when i bet tptk otf + ott vs recs who have wide ranges)

Maybe that's because it's completely different line than this hand Neilly. Hero is not betting turn. Obviously they are going to be stronger after you force them to fold weakest part by betting turn.

you guys are crazy this hand is quite standard and wp, river is never a fold obv. He folds everything up through this hand on river he has no calling range other than maybe AKcc or some KK traps.

my only question would be what % does hero bet turn vs c/c

honestly this happened to me in a real big live game vs a guy worth 979 mil, he played 90% vpip and always bluffd rivers, he had the 46 here, being RO was one of my biggest spots etc

you're saying that after probably what is around 10 years of playing poker, you think its okay to be results-oriented just because some fish got you in one of your biggest pots or what

what Baal & Blizzy said pretty much sums up everything

this hand just reminded me of that hand, its an obvious snap call, altho flop sizing does keep both str8 draws in, i wouldnt fold unless vs the biggest of nits.