What hand are you folding to that river bet? lol

9 high and worse

wow piosolver is high on crack, it jams river with A4s, 64ss, A3s.

if he had like QJ, KJ, AJ, what do you think his line wouldhave looked like? same 3 barrel?

he just made it dumb with the sizes is all

for Jx, mostly trippling, perhaps the occasional trappy x/c or x/r.


look at this piosolver logic, jam A3s to fold out AQo, jam A4s to get value from AQo. 'there's no such thing as a value bluff'-daniel negreano

On July 28 2019 10:38 LemOn[5thF] wrote: he just made it dumb with the sizes is all

whats wrong with his sizing?

he just wanted FE
and be able to call it off I guess
And river is just a great card for his range
But he left himself the stupid small amount and loads of potential bluffs

So he was like yeah I bluff anyways

turn's too big imo

I'm like 90% sure he used it with his hand not whole range

that's my assumption
I never ran it with this turn size
why would you use it rly leave 223 on river with range

I mean fuck it lunch break I'll compare the EVs
Should be lower though than a smaller size for range

Doing SBvBU though have the matrix pre-run and am lazy ;p

You need to go a big sizing on turn with a lot of hands like QQ, there's a need for protecting equity. I don't have a problem with his sizing or even potting it and leaving 1/13th pot size bet on river.

I think his sizing is prob piosolver approved so it could be that or other things like you said (FE), or simply making a size big enough so he doesn't have to bet fold his draw. (often i see this too), but wasn't making any assumptions here because i thought it was a good sizing regardless.

Ye I was correct SBvBU at least

You cut the EV of entire range on flop by using that turn size vs 52%
it's a small % but you know how these EV comparisons are

You can always make the argument that you play better than opponents and have it mapped out better so you use the sub-optimal sizing as the EV you gain with strategy advantage is greater than EV loss in optimal ranges

Doubt that's the case I'd expect his thought process to be closer to the one I outlined couple posts above

I'm not guessing here, it's not my opinion
Vs optimal ranges the EV of entire range is lower when you use this turn sizing
SBvBU preflop Pio ranges at least

It's BB vs BU, huge difference from SB vs BU, so make sure you sim those ranges.

https://gyazo.com/acb4fb2f7efd788276acae267bbdab82 i put a lot of turn sizes in and as you can see it gives a complex picture. It does use jam, the size he used and a smaller 40% pot size bet i plugged in, because it wants to bet Tx for value, and to remain balanced it will use the 40% size with a number of hands. Aside from that it's comfortable jamming turn with a range of hands just because of the amount of equity protection needed vs all the draws on this turn, and it uses the size he used a fair amount too. with 76ss it likes $134 and $168 the most.

I really don't think this method is correct if you are using 1-2 sizes in practice for range
Still don't get how people are using it and saying one size is better over the other
Just because it picks it most often?

If you use all the sizes in practice sure, makes sense

But if you don't the evidence should be to run the sizes separately and compare the EV of the entire range
I go for 1-2 in most spots

because when you plug in 4 sizes
it goes large % with one
Doesn't mean it's the correct size

as if you using only that one you cut the EV of the hands that go into the small frequency



I don't play the pool, maybe the guys are so advanced they'd use 4 different sizes in a spot like this and play them strongly with full awareness of balance of all the 5options


Then it's just above my league

No one is using 4 different sizes. I just did that to compare ev differences and see what strategies it did. There is merit to running two different sims with 1-2 different sizes in each one.

I compared a bigger size with smaller one:
https://gyazo.com/9a929f7aa2122bc24e3d0a36e976ff6d
https://gyazo.com/f245c7d90c9ea2c664202d7704f4fd8b

There is a lot more ev gained from using smaller size since you can vbet/protect ur Tx a lot more. so two different sims the only difference is a 50% turn size and a 75% turn size, i left the turn all in size on. If you're going to use a 1 size strategy you gotta go smaller to bet more of your range.

Was just my lunch break fun thx
haven't run the matrix for this one yet mb I'll get there at some point

I guess the BB ranges are more polarized BBvBU possible larger size will be better than SBvBU

Oh right so you use the same method
i was wondering if everyone's doing it wrong
I just looked on flop and the EV was lower even there


goes in line with what I expect him having 1-2 sizes prolly using smaller one as default
and just mash bigger because of his actual hand
And then "good river don't block many FDs I jam anyways"
I mean works fine on turn especially with all that equity but it's open to exploits

if your assuming he just does this with flush draws like 76s i think that is too strong of an assumption imo, there are plenty of hands like 54s, perhaps QQ, and some Jx that want to use a bigger sizing. Could also be the type to check turn with Tx and use only a bigger sizing.

his flop size and river jam are both good bets and sizes, his turn size is fine and recommended by pio. I don't know much about this guy or what kind of turn strategy he would use here. I personally like doing some big bets with the hands i mentioned though. I would strongly consider having a jamming range on turn. If board was two toned i would defintely just be jamming a lot of hands.

na lol I'm not psychic
just saying the probability of him being out of whack is higher than if he went smaller
and you can widen river call range a bit if you make that assumption


If you put him just on non Ahi combo draws you get to jam all Ahi+ here xD