should call here i think; his line makes no sense

slowplayed set that led flop but didnt 3bet and also didn't raise turn? a turned nut straight that decided to flat turn and then randomly jam river? a weird hand like 87s? all very odd possibilities.

maybe he's just the type to have no bluffs here though and never wants to allow a river check back when he has the nuts, that would be a specific type of noob tho.

looks like a pretty easy turn check. he should be checking 78/Q7 very often on this turn.

Poker changed so much lol. Back in the day you would always bomb the turn because of how draw heavy the board is. Now turn is standard check? Wow.

On September 05 2019 21:57 kyd wrote: Poker changed so much lol. Back in the day you would always bomb the turn because of how draw heavy the board is. Now turn is standard check? Wow.

The most likely straight draw came in on the turn

On September 05 2019 17:10 fira wrote: should call here i think; his line makes no sense slowplayed set that led flop but didnt 3bet and also didn't raise turn? a turned nut straight that decided to flat turn and then randomly jam river? a weird hand like 87s? all very odd possibilities. maybe he's just the type to have no bluffs here though and never wants to allow a river check back when he has the nuts, that would be a specific type of noob tho.

That was my thoughts that his line makes no sense. There are million missed draws out there and jams. If he checked i woulda checked back. Timebanked to end but was too afraid to call.

On September 06 2019 01:34 SleepyHead wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2019 21:57 kyd wrote: Poker changed so much lol. Back in the day you would always bomb the turn because of how draw heavy the board is. Now turn is standard check? Wow. The most likely straight draw came in on the turn

vice 56? vice flush draw? vice... whatever crazy thinking.

it's true. poker is so ass backwards these days lol

edit: but ya, I personally think turn is an obv. bet. Yes, the straight got there - so? what about all the other combinations that would progress w/ worse?

river call? dependent on person. With no information, I call

Why does a line making no sense always logically entail a call rather than a fold? i've never seen anyone advocate a fold because a line makes no sense. It makes no sense for him to jam a boat on river imo, but if he takes this nonsensical line one should fold

On September 09 2019 01:55 Stroggoz wrote: Why does a line making no sense always logically entail a call rather than a fold? i've never seen anyone advocate a fold because a line makes no sense. It makes no sense for him to jam a boat on river imo, but if he takes this nonsensical line one should fold

it makes no sense as a value hand, but it does make sense as a bluff. which is why a call seems best here. like i mentioned there are very few value hands that villain should have here, yet he is repping one. so unless he is one of those guys who rarely ever bluffs with this line, he should have a lot more bluffs than value hands, hence call

It doesn't make sense as a bluff, or value actually. it would be very weird if it made sense to have a 'value only, no bluff' range here as that's imbalanced.

Perhaps you mean it makes sense that someone would be bad enough to imbalanced here towards bluffs only.

i just mean that his range is super weak here, both in absolute and relative terms. he should have very few hands that beat a hand like KQ, and our range also crushes his. the only hand he might have more of than us is maybe T9s but he still shouldn't have much of that. whereas we have hands like 77, 88, QQ, KK, AA, all of which should be reduced or nonexistent in his range. that being said it also means we can be tighter with our calls since we know we'll have better hands to call with than this, although KQ isn't all that different from KK/AA. but anyway a fold isn't necessarily bad here

villain's play just seems bad, for all the reasons. i can see him being either imbalanced towards bluffs or value, maybe easier to be more bluff-heavy because of so few value hands. but it's also more "transparent" in a way. either way it doesn't make sense because it just seems like a terrible play