Lol 77 type hand putting you on AK?

thats very nice i love your hands man.

I agree this is really smart not go straight up allin on turn, makes your perceived range stronger.

Do you call reshove and shove blank river if called and checked?

thats too player dependent lubcyk imo

If the player is rather loose I assume on turn he would call the shove with something like 40$ left into a massive pot. Against a tight player this would be pretty close since turn bet would scare him off if he was raising light or protecting some PP, I'm guessing he thinks this player does not have a good hand on flop nor does he hit K on turn much. If he calls turn this is strange and I'm inclining to think he is not folding, if he ever had a draw he'd probably jam at some point and you might as well just check river and win.

Cool spot I'd like to hear what ya guys think.

it's quite a marginal spot imo, perhaps someone can run a sim and show me if i fucked up.

Preflop ranges taken from the fairly old 500z solutions. I imagine they've been superseded, but they're the only solutions I have for NL.

Flop cbet strat:


Flop vs raise to $53:


Turn after call flop, OOP check:


Seems GTO approved apart from turn sizing. With remaining stack size as it is it's only jamming on the turn in this tree, well 0.02% of turn range is using this sizing, but we can chalk that up to a rounding error

Very interesting, do you guys think betting smaller on turn instead of jamming looks stronger or weaker here?

Also what is the 500z solutions? Some form of older/less refined GTO calculator? What is called the newest version? I would like to look into it a bit. Thanks guys much appreciated.

I wouldn't really read into the river sizing except that it's probably a mistake but a marginal one. There are actually no hands that would bet fold river this size now that i think on it.

On November 26 2020 16:47 Oddeye wrote: Very interesting, do you guys think betting smaller on turn instead of jamming looks stronger or weaker here? Also what is the 500z solutions? Some form of older/less refined GTO calculator? What is called the newest version? I would like to look into it a bit. Thanks guys much appreciated.

There are sites that sell preflop solutions. The solutions I have are based on 500z rake, but I doubt the tree used to create the solutions was very sophisticated as it's a few years old. There's probably some newer solutions that I don't have.

On November 26 2020 17:00 Stroggoz wrote: I wouldn't really read into the river sizing except that it's probably a mistake but a marginal one. There are actually no hands that would bet fold river this size now that i think on it.

Turn* But yeah basically impossible to think of any combo that will fold after betting $52 on turn with $43 behind and like $358 in the pot

On November 25 2020 15:32 Oddeye wrote: I agree this is really smart not go straight up allin on turn, makes your perceived range stronger.

This not the level people are on, i don't think any reg would think my range is stronger because of a small bet, however they'd definitely think i have an extremely strong range on this turn card. I wanted to not go all in on turn since i may have some hands that could bet/fold, essentially pure bluffs with almost no equity. But after playing the hand it's clear no such hands exist, so its a minor mistake, i'm giving him the chance to call with some very marginal but probably very rare hands that would fold if i shoved. If stacks were a bit deeper, say 120bb, it would probably be viable as i have hands like A7-A5cc, though, these combo's are extremely rare for me to have. So it's w/e.

If you run sims in this spot, in villians perspective, the sim does often recommed betting really small on turn as a pure bluff, after the little check-minraise. In my view it's an underbluffed spot. I bluff in that spot that all the time hehe.

I find that at the lower stakes I play they generally do c/f alot after they do this on flop if they are bluffing but making another 1/4 pot on turn is great from his side. Considering you did call the mini raise on flop and this is a 4b pot. If you bet turn or jam it does look like it's a strong hand. Flop does have minimal connection if you were 4b air and flopped something like J or 8. I don't think you'd be betting this small on turn if you didn't jam it on flop, you'd probably jam or check. It's surely a minor difference and on the spot it's really hard to think about. I do get it tho it was to save some money on a bluff.

Im more curious about what the solver thinks about villains very small raise than about the flop float.

On November 27 2020 03:19 hiems wrote: Im more curious about what the solver thinks about villains very small raise than about the flop float.

In the sim I used the exact sizes used in the hand + I gave villain option to jam flop. You can see in 2nd screenshot in my post above that villain is folding to the cbet 25.33% of the time, calling 51.76% of the time, raising to $53 14.98% of the time and jamming 7.93% of the time, so this near min raise is definitely a thing.