Wierd
So, i squeeze, fish call reg call.
Fish is first to play
he have a little bit under 17$


If i bet what sizing should i do??

AK might not be the nut but it's a pretty clear cb here. 1/2.5 seems like a good sizing.

I think with the full stack reg next to act that is stuck between u and the fish I think a small cbet works well here...because I think even if reg has you beat he probably is not incentived to raise you much here (at least thats how I play)

I'd hope to get to play vs the fish and proceed with caution if reg comes along.

As far as simplification goes I think it works betting range(or close to it) because you shouldn't have much that doesn't connect with the board given the fish is short stacked so you really should be weighted towards premium pairs + high cards with equity preflop.

I might be wrong tho. Its either that or range check.

Honestly have no idea lol ask the stroggoz

Hard to cbet in multiway pots oop but idk about this texture given the situation 3bp vs short fish

I think if flop is 553r or something u can cbet all day.

Thing is if u check range here really hard to butcher the hand at any point.

Also fish short stack so its a 2 bet game anyway and he might spazz on turn.

You think reg is just going to fold AQ because we bet, or hes just going to felt AQ because we check? Both assumptions seem wild to me. I'm all for betting here. Prob 1/3 pot, in the event that reg calls and fish folds, turn is about PSB ya?

^ i mean betting ak seems fine but whats our strategy.

I don't think I like psb.

Prob with this hand is our preflop range. What's our worst pairs, whats our worst suited connector we get here with.

Stroggoz probably thinking we r retarded tbh.

I'm watching jarretman videos right now and I know I'm a retard in poker lol.

Thing is u don't need 2 be jarretman to win at poker.

no offanse 2 gawadawful he has big balls 4 plo swings nd wins lots of monies

altho its canadia dollars lol...

check calling is ok but u can easily be out played, i usually lead w range and play from there, fold to rejam only monsters should take any aggressive action. 25%

On May 18 2022 12:47 hiems wrote: ^ i mean betting ak seems fine but whats our strategy. I don't think I like psb. Prob with this hand is our preflop range. What's our worst pairs, whats our worst suited connector we get here with.

I'm saying if we bet 1/3rd and reg calls, turn should be 1spr. I'm not advocating psb on flop. Overall I'm just looking to run it here vs whatever people called pre with. I'm likely not overly balanced on this flop
FWIW if I have QJ/QT/KJ/KT I'm also betting with intention to shove most turns

On May 19 2022 22:24 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2022 12:47 hiems wrote: ^ i mean betting ak seems fine but whats our strategy. I don't think I like psb. Prob with this hand is our preflop range. What's our worst pairs, whats our worst suited connector we get here with. I'm saying if we bet 1/3rd and reg calls, turn should be 1spr. I'm not advocating psb on flop. Overall I'm just looking to run it here vs whatever people called pre with. I'm likely not overly balanced on this flop FWIW if I have QJ/QT/KJ/KT I'm also betting with intention to shove most turns

How u play 99 here

Thing is this might be fairly good spot for simple3way.

Yes c/f 99

The thing i dislike in this hand and im wondering wtf to do is..

Im first to act
OBV ''ok'' flop
Im getting it in vs the fish always obviously
But... Im first, reg (100BB) second, and with 17$ last to act

SO
pot is 17$

Lets say i cbet ..duno.. like 8.5$

What happens if
REG CALL, then Fish shove ???? I have the fish beat... but wtf.. i call then muck to reg? I guess i call reg and fuck it?

What happens if i check, reg check, fish shove, i call, reg shove/call???

What happens if i check, reg bet, fish shove
etc etc
i felt like whatever i do this is a shity spot

Im obv not cbet bluffing there....

I ended up cbetting and got a fold from both. But my sizing was lol

I potted (lol so commited if reg shove so i dont ask myself too much question)
but obv, not the most +ev play.

Duno

On May 19 2022 22:28 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2022 22:24 gawdawaful wrote:   On May 18 2022 12:47 hiems wrote: ^ i mean betting ak seems fine but whats our strategy. I don't think I like psb. Prob with this hand is our preflop range. What's our worst pairs, whats our worst suited connector we get here with. I'm saying if we bet 1/3rd and reg calls, turn should be 1spr. I'm not advocating psb on flop. Overall I'm just looking to run it here vs whatever people called pre with. I'm likely not overly balanced on this flop FWIW if I have QJ/QT/KJ/KT I'm also betting with intention to shove most turns How u play 99 here

I mean maybe theres an argument to be made with cbetting your entire range heads up but I'm sure 3 way we just check fold. We're expecting fish to not fold if he has a piece, so why would we ever bet 99..?

I brought up 99 because I played similar spot albeit i got heads up vs a 100bb stack...I squeeze 88 from bb and got similar all Broadway rainbow board that clearly favors squeeze range.

Completely different cause its hu and 100bb I didn't runt the sim but someone told me its a cbet in solver land.

I think it's reasonable for some preflop ranges where 99 is one of the worst hands u arrive here with esp with the 40bb fish so I think its a good place to start thinking about the hand.

For example sizing wise if we bet even 1/3 i don't think it makes any hand difficult to play on flop. All better hands (than 99) play perfectly vs us by flatting and all worse hands have way less than 25% equity so can easily fold even with positional advantage.

With that logic I think I like neillys sizing of 25%.

Not necessarily saying we have to cbet 99 multiway here esp with fish in pot. Gawdawful is right balance doesn't matter with the fish here.

I'm just messing with ideas fwiw

Hm now that I think about it 99 88 such a small part of range that not sure if above logic is useful.

Neillys 1/4 seems good on "feel test" tho to me

yeah completely different scenario, there's obv arguments to be made for that its a range bet heads up because villain should have auto folds
In this situation, I'm just betting a size that allows for turn psb jam, or allows the action to be re-opened if it goes call and fish jams

I think I did the math wrong. Villain has 53.50 to start hand and pot on flop is 18~ give or take. So he should have about 47.50 left on the flop, so $6 is too small. Maybe half pot-ish, so $9.50~ and rip turn

I'm more in favor of a quarter psb if we have AA. Also more in favor of a slightly bigger bet with JJ/TT as we unblock AX combos

hm ic. I can see that line being viable/good and esp if we are just trying to play certain hands against fish having this line as an option not worrying about balance is pretty good way to think about things.

I guess we can have some bet folds with like, I dunno, K5s or Q7s that squeezed pre for whatever reason

On May 17 2022 21:15 hiems wrote: I think with the full stack reg next to act that is stuck between u and the fish I think a small cbet works well here...because I think even if reg has you beat he probably is not incentived to raise you much here (at least thats how I play) I'd hope to get to play vs the fish and proceed with caution if reg comes along. As far as simplification goes I think it works betting range(or close to it) because you shouldn't have much that doesn't connect with the board given the fish is short stacked so you really should be weighted towards premium pairs + high cards with equity preflop. I might be wrong tho. Its either that or range check.

I largely agree. I usually cbet very small. You can probably cbet a reasonably high frequency if you use a very tiny 1/10th size here, as even with that size your making someone with 87s or even pp's fold. This also allows you to cbet with hands like QQ/KK. This spot is very hard to figure out what sims would do.

1/3 sizing is great too. I like having a 1/10th size in these spots when more than 10% of their range is pp's and suited connectors though.

Range check is definitely not a strategy here though, with a board that is good for you and a fish in the pot.

On May 20 2022 05:59 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2022 22:28 hiems wrote:   On May 19 2022 22:24 gawdawaful wrote:   On May 18 2022 12:47 hiems wrote: ^ i mean betting ak seems fine but whats our strategy. I don't think I like psb. Prob with this hand is our preflop range. What's our worst pairs, whats our worst suited connector we get here with. I'm saying if we bet 1/3rd and reg calls, turn should be 1spr. I'm not advocating psb on flop. Overall I'm just looking to run it here vs whatever people called pre with. I'm likely not overly balanced on this flop FWIW if I have QJ/QT/KJ/KT I'm also betting with intention to shove most turns How u play 99 here I mean maybe theres an argument to be made with cbetting your entire range heads up but I'm sure 3 way we just check fold. We're expecting fish to not fold if he has a piece, so why would we ever bet 99..?

yes i agree with all of this

On May 25 2022 15:28 lostaccount wrote: can we see results?

I played badly.

I cbet to put the fish all in and commit myself vs reg


Got a fold from both

like everything else, its a mix.

On May 20 2022 02:38 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Yes c/f 99 The thing i dislike in this hand and im wondering wtf to do is.. Im first to act OBV ''ok'' flop Im getting it in vs the fish always obviously But... Im first, reg (100BB) second, and with 17$ last to act SO pot is 17$ Lets say i cbet ..duno.. like 8.5$ What happens if REG CALL, then Fish shove ???? I have the fish beat... but wtf.. i call then muck to reg? I guess i call reg and fuck it? What happens if i check, reg check, fish shove, i call, reg shove/call??? What happens if i check, reg bet, fish shove etc etc i felt like whatever i do this is a shity spot Im obv not cbet bluffing there.... I ended up cbetting and got a fold from both. But my sizing was lol I potted (lol so commited if reg shove so i dont ask myself too much question) but obv, not the most +ev play. Duno

When the fish raises your bet and the raise is less than a minimum raise, other players who have already acted are not given the option to re-raise. That's a rule in no limit and pot limit. So a good strategy would be to bet like 9$ if he has 17$ left, if reg calls and fish shoves, reg can't come over the top when it's back to him. No reason to commit yourself out of fear in this scenario, and you always get a turn card drawing to the nuts.