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Handnr: 116797
Submitted by : exalted

Full Tilt Poker Game #1430583548: Table Madre Mesa - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:41:48 ET - 2006/12/18
Seat 1: teniser1976 ($6.50)
Seat 2: jomori ($19.75)
Seat 3: gallop9 ($24.65)
Seat 4: brasoul ($15.80)
Seat 5: JJ De La Garza ($24.15)
Seat 6: pokerbroker14 ($16.45)
Seat 7: ColonelBatGuano ($40.95)
Seat 8: catch016 ($24.50)
Seat 9: exaltedsky ($30.60)
catch016 posts the small blind of $0.10
exaltedsky posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7

Holecards
Dealt to exaltedsky JsJh
teniser1976 folds
jomori folds
gallop9 folds
brasoul folds
JJ De La Garza folds
pokerbroker14 raises to $0.50
ColonelBatGuano calls $0.50
catch016 raises to $2.50
exaltedsky calls $2.25
pokerbroker14 folds
ColonelBatGuano folds

Flop (Pot : $6)

   8d4h3h
catch016 bets $3.50
exaltedsky raises to $10
catch016 raises to $22, and is all in
exaltedsky has 15 seconds left to act
exaltedsky folds
Uncalled bet of $12 returned to catch016
exaltedsky adds $6.90
catch016 mucks
catch016 wins the pot ($24.70)

Summary
Total pot $26 | Rake $1.30
Board:  8d4h3h
Seat 1: teniser1976 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: jomori didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: gallop9 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: brasoul didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: JJ De La Garza didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: pokerbroker14 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ColonelBatGuano (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: catch016 (small blind) collected ($24.70), mucked
Seat 9: exaltedsky (big blind) folded on the Flop

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LNinja   Canada. Dec 18 2006 07:35. Posts 328

You must re-raise PF against a raiser to show strength and give yourself a chance to take it down on the flop if he misses with AK/AQ or 1010/99/88

If not then he will assume he has the best hand since you called (wether or not this is true, this will position you in a difficult spot) otherwise you are only hoping to catch a set because that flop did not have any A,K,Q or 10 and you still folded, had you re-raised pf, and seen him re-raise you, you could have wisely decided to fold there and probably saved you money but if you don't do that, then your re-raised re-raise on flop puts you in a tough spot where you don't know anymore.

Although he probably has the best hand here in most cases I have seen in numerous cases where villain has AK,AQ here. It is just impossible to know now that you have not re-raised PF.

Though most of the time you will be facing QQ,KK,AA here I -still- think this is a good fold, but not the optimal way to do it.

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exalted   United States. Dec 18 2006 07:43. Posts 2918

I debated hard against reraising, but I thought that if I could hit the J I would stack him if he had an overpair. I didn't hit, but since the cards were all low I thought I could maybe fold AKAQ. Looking back, this reasoning doesn't exactly work since you're right - his hand range is so large.

All in all I think this play allowed me to fold pretty safely, but it was very expensive to do so and ate about half my stack.

Is calling here for set value and simply folding it to his flop bet that bad? Or is the reraising play, fold to a 4bet better? What happens if he calls my reraise, does that mean I have to play for stacks now? What scares me is, if he's calling my reraise, he most likely does not have AKAQ at that point, and so any flop bets would be against a better hand.

Is it one of those, reraise, if he calls, assume he has a better hand, and then check fold on nonJ flops?

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devon06atX   Canada. Dec 18 2006 09:50. Posts 5459

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chris   United States. Dec 19 2006 15:18. Posts 5503

you committed 1/3 of your stack to fold. either flat that flop and re-evaluate turn, or you need to push him when he re-raises. you dont commit large portions of your stack for plays like this.

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