Submitted by : Jelle

PokerStars Game #4171370489: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/04 - 10:54:09 (ET)
Table 'Hydra II' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: schueyhere ($34.25 in chips)
Seat 2: WCGplayer ($51.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Mardagg ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 4: bigredhoss ($48 in chips)
Seat 6: Kjellemar ($44.05 in chips)
Seat 7: hachkc ($36.20 in chips)
Seat 8: gromilka ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 9: sergnz ($37.65 in chips)
schueyhere: posts small blind $0.25
WCGplayer: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to WCGplayer
Mardagg: calls $0.50
bigredhoss: folds
Kjellemar: calls $0.50
hachkc: raises $0.50 to $1
gromilka: calls $1
sergnz: folds
schueyhere: folds
WCGplayer: calls $0.50
Mardagg: calls $0.50
Kjellemar: calls $0.50

Flop (Pot : $5.25)

   
WCGplayer: bets $5
Mardagg: raises $44.75 to $49.75 and is all-in
Kjellemar: folds
hachkc: folds
hachkc is sitting out
gromilka: folds
WCGplayer: calls $44.75

Turn (Pot : $104.75)

   

River (Pot : $104.75)

   

Showdown
WCGplayer: shows (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Mardagg: mucks hand
WCGplayer collected $101.75 from pot

Summary
Total pot $104.75 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: schueyhere (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: WCGplayer (big blind) showed and won ($101.75) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: Mardagg mucked
Seat 4: bigredhoss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Kjellemar folded on the Flop
Seat 7: hachkc folded on the Flop
Seat 8: gromilka folded on the Flop
Seat 9: sergnz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

this is the only way u can ever win a buyin in one hand on 50NL its amazing how tight the game is


people are flat calling me on the river last to act with sets on nonscary boards, i really don't understand how you guys can advise me not to bluff here

ive seen someone check down a set of 7's today on a rubbish board for $2

try mixing it up if you always play the same time of day grot, also check ur image

dunno ibsu i just try to bluff a lot of pots even though the accomplished players here seem to advise me to grind, that's just not working for me

this is what i mean... i get this all the time

Submitted by : Jelle

PokerStars Game #4171520781: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/04 - 11:15:53 (ET)
Table 'Prylis II' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: WCGplayer ($67.70 in chips)
Seat 3: SAWA29 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Mardagg ($55.60 in chips)
Seat 5: gromilka ($42.85 in chips)
Seat 6: glittergulch ($74.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Martish ($42.15 in chips)
Seat 8: TEDDY_KGB90 ($50.90 in chips)
Seat 9: irodeo1 ($50.15 in chips)
irodeo1: posts small blind $0.25
WCGplayer: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to WCGplayer
SAWA29: folds
Mardagg: folds
gromilka: folds
glittergulch: calls $0.50
Martish: folds
TEDDY_KGB90: calls $0.50
irodeo1: folds
WCGplayer: checks

Flop (Pot : $1.75)

   
WCGplayer: bets $1.70
glittergulch: calls $1.70
TEDDY_KGB90: folds

Turn (Pot : $5.15)

   
WCGplayer: bets $4
glittergulch: calls $4

River (Pot : $13.15)

   
WCGplayer: bets $8
glittergulch: calls $8

Showdown
WCGplayer: shows (three of a kind, Deuces)
glittergulch: shows (a full house, Sixes full of Deuces)
glittergulch collected $27.75 from pot

Summary
Total pot $29.15 | Rake $1.40
Board  
Seat 2: WCGplayer (big blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 3: SAWA29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mardagg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: gromilka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: glittergulch showed and won ($27.75) with a full house, Sixes full of Deuces
Seat 7: Martish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: TEDDY_KGB90 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: irodeo1 (small blind) folded before Flop

grot - i have to agree that people on NL50 are quite tight compared to NL25 at least. They will not go with mid-pair all the way. The majority of the players here likes to slowplay their monsters calling all the way to the river... still if they hit their 2 pairs they will go with u allin on a non-flush board almost always. the same for top pair good kicker.

if u like to play agressive style maybe try 6-max (it worked nice for me before the downswing + tilt hit me so badly recently).

i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say... look at the hand.. he wasn't trying to trap me with his big full house, he was afraid i might have him beat, i mean he just called on the river ffs! and i get that all the time

only the fishy short stacks are pushing top pair top kicker... or very rarely one of the big stacks might (especially if they have a very good looking hand like AK), but it's definetly not a common thing to see for me


and yes they might be pushing two pair but seriously, i am supposed to wait until i flop sets while they flop two pair? if your opponents are this tight it seems ridiculous to me to adapt by playing even more tight than them

hmm, $50 NL musta tightened up a fair amount

are you playing 6max or full ring?

switch to 6max if your not already

switch to partypoker maybe.

and as for the adaptation - of course u are not suppossed to play even tighter than them. play agressive, keep stealing, but better dont go to huge pots with TPTK or overpair against a tight (the most common as u say) opponent. like if u lead out on flop with TPTK and get called on an unscary board (no obvious draws), then check the turn and try a cheap showdown rather than leading all the way. (of course mix it up so that they cant bluff u out easily)

if the table is tight, then loosen them up. start playing and stop grinding

That 66 is not an example of someone who is tight. It's an example of someone who does not understand the game, that someone will pay you off with any pair because he doesn't know how poker works.

On March 04 2006 09:45 Nazgul wrote: That 66 is not an example of someone who is tight. It's an example of someone who does not understand the game, that someone will pay you off with any pair because he doesn't know how poker works.

yeah i would love it if people never reraised me when i had trips and they had top boat what a wonderfull world that woul dbe... seriously how can yo complain that he didnt reraise you with the best hand? would you be happier if he busted you?

nono of course not i'm not complaining, sorry if it sounds that way


i'm just saying i don't think i can win by only showing the best hand when people play like this, i think i need to bluff

it took me a little while to figure out there was no question about the hand
sad for me

another one

Submitted by : Jelle

PokerStars Game #4195026734: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/06 - 11:00:34 (ET)
Table 'Neufang II' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: LionDada ($54 in chips)
Seat 2: megas ($57.30 in chips)
Seat 3: WCGplayer ($52.40 in chips)
Seat 4: mortenkanin ($13.90 in chips)
Seat 5: twisted_man ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: willywichtig ($33.40 in chips)
Seat 7: ogtsupa ($21.40 in chips)
Seat 8: johngranite ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 9: SmartPic1 ($82.05 in chips)
johngranite: posts small blind $0.25
SmartPic1: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to WCGplayer
LionDada: folds
megas: folds
WCGplayer: calls $0.50
mortenkanin: folds
twisted_man: folds
willywichtig: calls $0.50
ogtsupa: folds
johngranite: calls $0.25
SmartPic1: checks

Flop (Pot : $2)

   
johngranite: checks
SmartPic1: checks
WCGplayer: checks
willywichtig: checks

Turn (Pot : $2)

   
johngranite: checks
SmartPic1: checks
WCGplayer: checks
willywichtig: checks

River (Pot : $2)

   
johngranite: checks
SmartPic1: checks
WCGplayer: bets $1.90
willywichtig: raises $1.90 to $3.80
johngranite: folds
SmartPic1: folds
WCGplayer: raises $3.20 to $7
willywichtig: calls $3.20

Showdown
WCGplayer: shows (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
willywichtig: shows (a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
willywichtig collected $15.25 from pot

Summary
Total pot $16 | Rake $0.75
Board  
Seat 1: LionDada folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: megas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: WCGplayer showed and lost with a full house, Eights full of Jacks
Seat 4: mortenkanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: twisted_man folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: willywichtig showed and won ($15.25) with a full house, Tens full of Jacks
Seat 7: ogtsupa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: johngranite (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 9: SmartPic1 (big blind) folded on the River

definitely play at party if the stars 50NL is too tight...look........

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/13083
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/13078
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/13077
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/10361
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/10358

etc.

50 NL at stars is really really easy
id go as far as saying it's easier than 25NL
everyone is a pushover
just be aggressive, abuse position, fire 2 barrels in position, potsize bets, punish them for being tight passive

Your right about nl50 on ps but it all depends on the time of day, I seldom play during the (european) daytime because there is little to no profit, but in the night when the americans join its often a very different story. Friday and saturday nights or early mornings are allways the most profitable because of drunk americans i guess.

uh i doubt these games are tight
the correct word may be weak

Exactly.

Just as with your A2, that 888 vs TTT is not an example of someone who is tight either.

On March 06 2006 08:59 frozzor wrote: uh i doubt these games are tight the correct word may be weak

Stars is weak from 5NL all the way through 200NL. In my opinion beating the 50NL games is just as easy as beating the 200NL games, these games are extremley soft and theres no reason not to be crushing them. I run into trips vs trips a lot too man at least 1-2 times per session exept i go broke almost every time your losses are minimal cause your playing against a bunch of dumbasses.

Most of the people you play against are playing 1-3 tables so they actually are able to pay attention to image, chances are you are way too tight and they always give you credit for a big hand as they should. Most players are not former BW players who can 8-table without problem they just do 1-3 tables and play them to the best of their ability.

But there is a HUGE difference between soft and tight - Soft means not re-raising with 66 on a 644 flop that is just absolute stupidity in my opinion. Tight means people are never paying you off with lower kickers. It looks like you'r just playing with a bunch of loose-passives in other words, ATM's.

A hypo agressive style really gets em rollin. Start raising hands in LP when folded to you even if it isn't hands that you'd normally raise even. Punish those tight/weak players for playing like that. I make so much money at NL50 by simply raising preflop, and fire 1-2 shots on flop/turn. Works 95 percent of the time. The other 5 percent they hit the nuts and mini raise me.

I had a revelation the other day in poker.
#1 fundamental theorem of poker:
everyone is a pussy until proven otherwise

haha

Submitted by : Jelle

PokerStars Game #4205419430: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/07 - 08:22:35 (ET)
Table 'Abnoba II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bustin A Nut ($27.65 in chips)
Seat 2: WCGplayer ($50.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Bigmoney184 ($21.75 in chips)
Seat 5: putzie ($52.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Falkensten ($53.10 in chips)
Seat 7: GreenEagle44 ($43.35 in chips)
Seat 8: PutUonTilt99 ($51.05 in chips)
putzie: posts small blind $0.25
Falkensten: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to WCGplayer
GreenEagle44: folds
PutUonTilt99: folds
Bustin A Nut: folds
WCGplayer: raises $1.50 to $2
Bigmoney184: folds
putzie: folds
Falkensten: calls $1.50

Flop (Pot : $4.25)

   
Falkensten: checks
WCGplayer: bets $3
Falkensten: calls $3

Turn (Pot : $10.25)

   
Falkensten: checks
WCGplayer: bets $6
Falkensten: calls $6

River (Pot : $22.25)

   
Falkensten: checks
WCGplayer: checks

Showdown
Falkensten: shows (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
WCGplayer: mucks hand
Falkensten collected $21.20 from pot

Summary
Total pot $22.25 | Rake $1.05
Board  
Seat 1: Bustin A Nut folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: WCGplayer mucked
Seat 4: Bigmoney184 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: putzie (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Falkensten (big blind) showed and won ($21.20) with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 7: GreenEagle44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PutUonTilt99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

those guys dont know how to play poker ..end of story..its just retarded how they playing those hands..they are afraid of money and dont think

play NL100 6max... it seems like all the fish who are down to there last 2digit balance just give it away there.

poker is about adjusting... clearly your against a shitload of loose-passives, best way to beat them is limp in a lot make a hand cheap and overbet it hard. For example limp in with SC's from all position and when you make your hand overbet the pot, $5 in the pot? bet $25 they will call you more than half the time if they have any decent hand (eg.top pair) these games are very easily crushed.

they are not loose

they see the flop 7% of the time

Submitted by : Jelle

PokerStars Game #4207681900: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/07 - 15:05:45 (ET)
Table 'Lacerta II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: WCGplayer ($49.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Forbsey84 ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 3: vinmoe73 ($68.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Wigby ($40.25 in chips)
Seat 5: MartinVII ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 7: DanGeD ($51 in chips)
Seat 8: capeape ($59.75 in chips)
Seat 9: KoZed ($45.85 in chips)
MartinVII: posts small blind $0.25
DanGeD: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to WCGplayer
capeape: folds
KoZed: calls $0.50
WCGplayer: calls $0.50
Forbsey84: folds
vinmoe73: folds
davisjj627 has returned
Wigby: folds
MartinVII: folds
DanGeD: checks

Flop (Pot : $1.75)

   
DanGeD: checks
KoZed: bets $1.50
WCGplayer: calls $1.50
DanGeD: folds

Turn (Pot : $4.75)

   
KoZed: bets $0.50
WCGplayer: raises $4.50 to $5
KoZed: calls $4.50

River (Pot : $14.75)

   
KoZed: bets $2.50
WCGplayer: raises $13.50 to $16
KoZed: calls $13.50

Showdown
WCGplayer: shows (two pair, Aces and Kings)
KoZed: shows (three of a kind, Nines)
KoZed collected $44.45 from pot

Summary
Total pot $46.75 | Rake $2.30
Board  
Seat 1: WCGplayer showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: Forbsey84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: vinmoe73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Wigby (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MartinVII (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: DanGeD (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: capeape folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: KoZed showed and won ($44.45) with three of a kind, Nines

no idea... how you people can play in these retarded games... the man has the nut boat and cant even re raise... w t f. Im glad you people are having fun, id rather sit in a casino and make 1k a night vs real players thx :|

Hehe, some of these hands are so retarded, partypoker really isn't tight at all. Plenty of calling station type retards and people who want to bluff you when you raise too much.

Anyway if you have a huge problem with people playing too tight you have to adjust, that is the essence of poker. Or you could play shorthanded.

Grot why did you not raise that AK...

On March 04 2006 08:54 Joe wrote: grot - i have to agree that people on NL50 are quite tight compared to NL25 at least.

you kids need to switch to PP. NL 100 there is so loose it's like pamela anderson.

50 NL on ps is pot commit lvl isn't it ?
allin with AK tptk no?

I also find 50NL on stars alot easier than 25NL
25NL =art of tight slow playing limit