Submitted by : Daut

Hand #30428063-3759 at Lake In The Hills (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 23/Mar/06 22:30:23

homesikmarine is at seat 0 with $92.
Daut44 is at seat 1 with $266.45.
David_Nicoson is at seat 2 with $205.40.
matt2411 is at seat 3 with $414.90.
oluckyme is at seat 4 with $101.20.
zzzzz5 is at seat 5 with $248.10.
Fabio57 is at seat 6 with $198.
Pace is at seat 7 with $134.70.
Ninjai is at seat 8 with $183.10.
justice4all is at seat 9 with $47.
The button is at seat 0.

Daut44 posts the small blind of $1.
David_Nicoson posts the big blind of $2.


Holecards
homesikmarine: -- --
Daut44:
David_Nicoson: -- --
matt2411: -- --
oluckyme: -- --
zzzzz5: -- --
Fabio57: -- --
Pace: -- --
Ninjai: -- --
justice4all: -- --


matt2411 raises to $7. oluckyme folds. zzzzz5
calls. Fabio57 folds. Pace folds. Ninjai folds.
justice4all folds. homesikmarine folds. Daut44
calls. David_Nicoson folds.


Flop

   

Daut44 checks. matt2411 bets $17. zzzzz5 folds.
Daut44 calls.


Turn

   

Daut44 checks. matt2411 checks.


River

   

Daut44 bets $32. matt2411 calls.




Showdown

Daut44 shows Ah.
Daut44 has 9d: a pair of kings.
matt2411 shows As.
matt2411 has 9d: a pair of aces.



Summary

$3 is raked from a pot of $121.
matt2411 wins $118 with a pair of aces.

The UB hand history is terrible :/ They should really update it.

I think I woulda gone broke here, interesting play.

its good that you only lost 50 here
pretty horrid hh though

I moved this over because I've been thinking about the line i took and I have a few questions on it.

This guy is tight, knows what he is doing, plays pretty much like how most of the LP players around this level play.

Would you guys lead/fold the flop? lead/call the flop? donk the turn? like the river bet?
How different would the situation be if the K on board were an A?

I figured if I was ahead I wasnt going to get much out of the hand, and if i'm behind then im probably going to lose a lot, so i might as well check call and try to induce some bluffs. that being said, is this a fold preflop if I'm only trying to spike an A and make some money off of AQ?

im starting to think maybe i SHOULD fold AK preflop to a raise out of the blinds from someone who knows what he's doing. it just seems so weak tight though.

uhh, the guy saved you money here.

bet turn say $10
if you get re-raised give it up, he could easily have K9, trips or AA

bet 10$ on turn is to little, so easy to bluff him out of the pot, check is good.

well, its a feeler bet, you want to make it an amount they can re-raise with a fairly good hand so you know if they have a good hand or a bad one

if u check the turn you cant bet the river

i might donk the turn because of double fd and and c/c river. i guess at full ring facing a utg raise from a solid player i can find a fold in being raised when i donk turn, unless its some good aggressive player who hates me. so in this respect i like your line too because it eliminates the difficult decision of being raised on turn donkbet.

i cant work out if talentedtom is joking (id give him the benefit of the doubt but since that TT hand i dont know;p). going broke here would be really retarded, lol. wtf possible hand you're beating will get allin?? KQ? ;//////

I would have re-juiced preflop to about $27-30 total / fold if he pushes. I fhe flat calls I go broke on this flop. Most likley he will push preflop effectivley saving me $170.

Since you chose to flat call preflop, your post flop play seems fine. I'm not a big fan of slowplaying AK.

looooool horrible. i think i flatcall trap at least 75% of the time (if not more) with aa/kk when im reraised big preflop by a tightish fullstack player from blinds, and i also think im very far from the only decent player that does this

on this board i think tom would probably push the guy off the hand if he reraised and AA guy flat called, he would probably get credit for KKK
however i think reraising out of the blinds with AK, ESPECIALLY against an UTG raiser is generally a bad play. oop with a hand that misses over 70% against someone who is fairly to very strong

i like your line. nothing wrong with it against a tight player. if he's not making pfrs/CBs with very many AX hands and middle pairs, and assuming he knows you're a tight player, if he's behind he won't pay you off at any point in the hand, and if he's ahead you are drawing extremely thin.

A very good player (Fnord) from FlopturnRiver posted a hand where he folded AKs pre flop from UTG+1 cuz a rock raised 4x BB from UTG (it was full table)

He argues he's -EV vs vilian's range

However i won't ever do that...i probably play like Tom but don't listen to me, i suck at NL

I believe AK vs AA on this board is pretty unlucky

im convinced i should fold in this spot against someone who is tight
oop
no implied odds
actually have heavy reverse implied odds
AK isnt good if it isnt the aggressor

ive always wondered why folding AQ is so easy and calling with AK is the correct play here. i play really ultra weak tight out of position so i think i should just stay away from this, especially full ring against utg raise

You said you knew this player was tight. Preflop, I often fold AKo to a tight UTG raise for this very reason and I think this might be one of those spots you would have thought about folding it. On the flop your either way ahead or way behind, assuming the hands that an UTG player would raise with (TT+ or AKs and possibly AKo.), you can beat all the pairs he raised with except KK and AA, and your on a chop with AK. Leading out on the flop would have been a decent option to see where you were at, but check-calling is also just as good in this particular spot. The turn goes' check-check which is an ackward play from a hand like AA since there is a double flush draw out there. At the same time, you are not worried about an AK hand that is freerolling a flush draw because you are holding the K of diamonds, so I don't think you should be afraid of giving freecards here. I accually like that check. The river is where I think you might have made a mistake.

Knowing his hands are in this limited range why are you betting the river like that? You are getting a call from a chop from AK (we already established that he can't have KQ), your winning the pot anyways from QQ, JJ or TT which are hands that will naturally be folded by a tight player to a $32 bet on the river anyways and your bet is going to get raised by KK (and sometimes by AA). Nothing adds up to why you would bet the river. If you check he will be betting at this pot, but I doubt it will be something like $32 since he really has no reason to why you would call such a big bet with how you played AK.

Kinda strange that guy didn't bet the turn tho. definately missed a bet there.

On March 24 2006 14:58 YoMeR wrote: Kinda strange that guy didn't bet the turn tho. definately missed a bet there.

he was probably afraid of a slowplay after the check/call.
That would explain the river flatcall too.

Now the question could be if that weak/tight poker or not?

On March 24 2006 11:39 JonnyCosMo wrote: You said you knew this player was tight. Preflop, I often fold AKo to a tight UTG raise for this very reason and I think this might be one of those spots you would have thought about folding it. On the flop your either way ahead or way behind, assuming the hands that an UTG player would raise with (TT+ or AKs and possibly AKo.), you can beat all the pairs he raised with except KK and AA, and your on a chop with AK. Leading out on the flop would have been a decent option to see where you were at, but check-calling is also just as good in this particular spot. The turn goes' check-check which is an ackward play from a hand like AA since there is a double flush draw out there. At the same time, you are not worried about an AK hand that is freerolling a flush draw because you are holding the K of diamonds, so I don't think you should be afraid of giving freecards here. I accually like that check. The river is where I think you might have made a mistake. Knowing his hands are in this limited range why are you betting the river like that? You are getting a call from a chop from AK (we already established that he can't have KQ), your winning the pot anyways from QQ, JJ or TT which are hands that will naturally be folded by a tight player to a $32 bet on the river anyways and your bet is going to get raised by KK (and sometimes by AA). Nothing adds up to why you would bet the river. If you check he will be betting at this pot, but I doubt it will be something like $32 since he really has no reason to why you would call such a big bet with how you played AK.

yeah i suppose youre right. i thought maybe i could get a crying call from QQ or JJ there and bet about half the pot. maybe a check call would be better though.

You gotta frontbet here, there's no reason to assume you're beat. If you check he will 100% bet $32 with any hand that beats you (only AA) and you will 100% call it. Might as well frontbet and gain some value from fishes with weak hands.

That said I'm surprised this hand was played so calmly. Normally I give alot of action on his raise flopping top pair with KA. You did good obviously, but you gotta wonder whether it is because you play too weak or because you got a good read.

I swear me and Naz paly in different ball parks :o

line is fine
against the described player i'd reraise AK some of the time and if i did i'd go broke here

On March 25 2006 10:06 JonnyCosMo wrote: I swear me and Naz paly in different ball parks :o

naz NL2000, you NL2??

j/k, i like your hand analysis' cosmo


as for the hand i really don't understand him checking the behind on the turn.