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Handnr: 19762 Submitted by : Daut
Hand #30429826-10380 at RoxciRhodesNL (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 30/Mar/06 15:06:29
glk996porsche is at seat 0 with $118.80.
Daut44 is at seat 1 with $203.
TOX1C is at seat 2 with $218.25.
cptnfurious is at seat 3 with $88.50.
bmv123 is at seat 4 with $216.
sgtmac1 is at seat 5 with $233.40.
FootbagRules is at seat 6 with $123.30.
Beggan is at seat 7 with $254.50.
Mr JayC is at seat 8 with $168.45.
spettout is at seat 9 with $246.65.
The button is at seat 3.
bmv123 posts the small blind of $1.
sgtmac1 posts the big blind of $2.
Holecards glk996porsche: -- --
Daut44:
TOX1C: -- --
cptnfurious: -- --
bmv123: -- --
sgtmac1: -- --
FootbagRules: -- --
Beggan: -- --
Mr JayC: -- --
spettout: -- --
FootbagRules folds. Beggan folds. Mr JayC calls.
spettout folds. glk996porsche folds. Daut44 raises
to $9. TOX1C folds. cptnfurious folds. bmv123
folds. sgtmac1 calls. Mr JayC folds.
Flop
sgtmac1 checks. Daut44 bets $12. sgtmac1 calls.
Turn
sgtmac1 checks. Daut44 checks.
River
sgtmac1 checks. Daut44 bets $22. sgtmac1 calls.
Showdown
Daut44 shows Ks.
Daut44 has Td: a pair of aces.
sgtmac1 shows Tc.
sgtmac1 has Td: two pair, jacks and tens.
Summary
$3 is raked from a pot of $89.
sgtmac1 wins $86 with two pair, jacks and tens.
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capaneo   Canada. Mar 30 2006 13:14. Posts 8465 | | |
Why did you check the turn and bet the river??(I'm not criticize I'm just askin if there was a reason?) |
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In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber | |
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Daut   United States. Mar 30 2006 13:17. Posts 8955 | | |
minimize pot when behind
not concerned with donkey calling with middle pair and hitting his 5 outer there
i have Ah so i dont put him on flush draw often |
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NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut | |
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CirCa   Canada. Mar 30 2006 13:30. Posts 1249 | | |
this is why i say continue to bet on turn. |
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capaneo   Canada. Mar 30 2006 14:08. Posts 8465 | | |
You thought he has you beat on the flop?? then why you bet the river??
If you were not sure where you are at after the flop why you checked the turn??
funny is that I learned all this from you guys! |
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In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber | |
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Daut   United States. Mar 30 2006 14:10. Posts 8955 | | |
i check the turn in case he has a bigger hand than me to keep the pot small. i feel comfortable with my hand, but i dont want to play a huge pot with it because ill probably lose in that situation.
plus if he has some lower pocket pair, he might come out and bet the river when he would have folded the turn to a bet, so i get some extra value out of that.
im not afraid of him drawing out cause i dont put him on flush draw since i have Ah
since he checked river i assume my hand is still best cause i dont think 2 pair+ would check twice, so i bet the river to extract some value from Ax or maybe QJ KJ etc |
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NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut | Last edit: 30/03/2006 14:11 |
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Daut   United States. Mar 30 2006 14:18. Posts 8955 | | |
this is a post by matt flynn on 2+2 that describes this
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pot control is one of the fundamentals of big bet poker, right there with stack size adjustments, putting players to tough decisions, avoiding tough decisions and so forth. in the first approximation, it can be summed as:
when you are committed, build a big pot. when you are not committed, keep the pot small.
a classic example is when you hold AK and raise preflop - say to 5x the bb after a limper (aka, "the pot"). you get two callers. pot is 16x. flop comes AJ5 twotone. check to you, you bet 15x. positional player folds. small blind calls. pot is 46x.
turn is an offsuit 9. your opponent is a pretty tight blind player. what do you do?
pot control says you check the turn to keep the pot small because you are not committed to the hand. in other words, you believe that if you play a big pot, you will lose more than you will win. you can see the additional advantages of checking of possibly inducing a bluff on the river, or inducing a call on the river by showing weakness on the turn. a disadvantage is you give a free card.
pot control is but one fundamental. suppose you have 1000x left, but your opponent only has 40x. well then stack size issues take precedence b/c the small stack size means you are automatically committed (assume no magic tells and no ultracrappy play on SB's part that allows you to play otherwise). stack size takes precedence and you must shove in (or close to it) to force the draw to fold or make a bad call.
suppose you have 1000x and opponent has 400x. now you got some room to play. you might check, but you know he may have a flush draw, and that he will not attack lightly. you may well opt for betting the turn - maybe 2/3 of the pot - to get him to lay down a flush draw and also declare his hand. you have put him to a tough decision, which in that case can be more important than pot control. he can aikido you by semibluff check-raising, or by calling then betting the river - in some cases regardless of the river card. keep in mind that b/c you bet the turn you would prefer to check the river, b/c the only losing hand you might get him to call three streets with is AQ and even then he may fold. now you have entered a new plane of poker where your opponent is exercising some pot control but also putting you to decisions. betting the turn requires a much higher level of skill against a good opponent but can often be the right play. you can, alternatively, avoid a tough decision by checking behind. in this turn example, checking the turn accomplishes both pot control and avoiding a tough decision if he check-raises.
start with the first approximation.
matt
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NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut | |
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