Submitted by : bigredhoss

PokerStars Game #3342649997: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/12/15 - 18:04:01 (ET)
Table 'Simona' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kobra_kalifi ($16.15 in chips)
Seat 2: thejerseysli ($20 in chips)
Seat 3: Montes76 ($89.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Curly H ($60.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Manric ($72.45 in chips)
Seat 6: bigredhoss ($69.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Ge_unit ($46.15 in chips)
Seat 8: outlawmind ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Lilka ($13 in chips)
Manric: posts small blind $0.25
bigredhoss: posts big blind $0.50
thejerseysli: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigredhoss ]
Ge_unit: folds
outlawmind: calls $0.50
Lilka: folds
kobra_kalifi: folds
thejerseysli: checks
Montes76: calls $0.50
Curly H: calls $0.50
Manric: calls $0.25
bigredhoss: checks
*** FLOP *** ]
Manric: checks
bigredhoss: bets $2
outlawmind: folds
thejerseysli: folds
Montes76: calls $2
Curly H: folds
Manric: folds
*** TURN *** ]
bigredhoss: checks
Montes76: bets $2.50
bigredhoss: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** ]
bigredhoss: checks
Montes76: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigredhoss: shows ] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Montes76: mucks hand
bigredhoss collected $11.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12 | Rake $0.55
Board ]
Seat 1: kobra_kalifi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: thejerseysli folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Montes76 mucked ]
Seat 4: Curly H (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Manric (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bigredhoss (big blind) showed ] and won ($11.45) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 7: Ge_unit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: outlawmind folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Lilka folded before Flop (didn't bet)

is it bad to check turn here? i hate to give odds for someone to draw but i think there's a decent chance he has a made hand? or am i thinking too weak-tightly

no way he a hand with that 2............ bet it like 4$ or so

well i was thinking more along the lines of a flush

yes, but he wouldnt have made his flush on the turn!

i guess maybe i should rephrase, when i said "made hand" i didnt mean he made his hand on the turn, just that he already had hand and wasnt drawing

then you shouldnt bet on the flop either..........

ty nostradamus

just helping you......!

robbie your advice sucks, but yes bet on the turn.

if i bet the turn would i also bet a brick river then?

yes but keep it decent;p



and how is that wreckognize?

bet turn bet river

consider folding to a raise

you can't automatically assume they have a flush just because they called your flop bet, he could have had Ac and you're just giving him free cards by checking

On December 15 2005 16:48 fira wrote: bet turn bet river consider folding to a raise you can't automatically assume they have a flush just because they called your flop bet, he could have had Ac and you're just giving him free cards by checking

yeah i know, i wasnt assuming he had the flush but i was trying to make some allowances for it (which may have been retarded)... here was my thinking:

i flop two pair which is very likely the best hand but with 943693 people to act after me a flopped flush still worries me a little bit....so i bet "to see where I'm at", which in retrospect sounds pretty stupid since i still didnt really know where i was at lol.

so in nutshell i was hoping/thinking that the times i get called by hands like KQ/KJ/flush draw here and win small bets on the turn/river outweigh the times i check-call reasonable bets on turn and river and lose to an already made flush. it just seems to me that a lot of people, even with a hand like KQ without a club would be hesitant to call strong turn/river bets with the clubs on board. PS I DRANK WAY TOO MUCH CAFFEINE

i would have led turn strong and check/maybe call river depending on the bet

backwards poker

Beetbetbetbeeetbetbetbet.

def bet the turn. If he calls again, you might wanna make a blocking bet on the river, so he wont bluff a missed draw. If he plays back at you, then you gotta look at laying down.

When you flop top 2 on a board like this u gotta keep the pressure on, you'll get better info that way, even though it does cost a bit extra when they have it.

if i got say...3-4 callers would I still bet the turn?

thanks for the replies btw

with 3-4 callers i would be inclined to check the turn

On December 16 2005 02:01 Fraser wrote: def bet the turn. If he calls again, you might wanna make a blocking bet on the river, so he wont bluff a missed draw. If he plays back at you, then you gotta look at laying down. When you flop top 2 on a board like this u gotta keep the pressure on, you'll get better info that way, even though it does cost a bit extra when they have it.

what's so bad about a missed draw bluffing?
i like a turn checkraise/fold to 3bet and river donk/call minraise/fold to more