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Handnr: 2132
Submitted by : fira

PokerStars Game #3344594812: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2005/12/15 - 21:22:16 (ET)
Table 'Meissa IV' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: watjo001 ($296 in chips)
Seat 4: LUVTHEGUTTY ($652.95 in chips)
Seat 5: chorale ($531.40 in chips)
Seat 6: ApocalypsPLZ ($550.10 in chips)
LUVTHEGUTTY: posts small blind $2
chorale: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ApocalypsPLZ KdKc]
ApocalypsPLZ: raises $12 to $16
watjo001: calls $16
LUVTHEGUTTY: calls $14
chorale: calls $12
*** FLOP *** Qd9c5h]
LUVTHEGUTTY: checks
chorale: checks
ApocalypsPLZ: bets $40
watjo001: folds
LUVTHEGUTTY: calls $40
chorale: folds
*** TURN *** Qd9c5hJc]
LUVTHEGUTTY: checks
ApocalypsPLZ: bets $82
LUVTHEGUTTY: calls $82
*** RIVER *** Qd9c5hJcKh]
LUVTHEGUTTY: checks
sas410 removed from table for failing to post
Nobelity joins the table at seat #2
sas410 joins the table at seat #3
ApocalypsPLZ: bets $120
LUVTHEGUTTY: folds
ApocalypsPLZ collected $306 from pot
ApocalypsPLZ: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $308 | Rake $2
Board Qd9c5hJcKh]
Seat 1: watjo001 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: LUVTHEGUTTY (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: chorale (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: ApocalypsPLZ collected ($306)

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fira   United States. Dec 15 2005 22:22. Posts 6345

here i was debating whether or not to bet the river
finally decided that he didn't have a T

maybe it was bad play... since he probably would fold if he had anything less than straight

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Red9   Canada. Dec 15 2005 22:25. Posts 7447

I would most likely say that his flop call and turn call said to me QcXc so he called with top pair initially,got his backdoor draw then missed it

I will grind you into dust. 

tontonba   . Dec 15 2005 22:26. Posts 1281

i cant figure what your opponent has, but as far as the river is concerned, that's a good bet if your opponent will call with less than the nuts, but if hes tight, try to show your hand down and dont risk a check-raise.

nuff said 

tontonba   . Dec 15 2005 22:31. Posts 1281

well, assuming he has a Q and he called a raise in first position, that can only mean AcQc, any other hand is just too weak. and if he did have TPTK on the flop, why wouldnt he check-raise or bet out with it? check-calling is just too weak of a play. i believe its something more along the lines of Ac5c, or maybe...

after looking at this it must be 78. double belly buster straight draw on the flop, check calls all the way to the river. it must be 78.

nuff said 

PandaSaurus   Australia. Dec 15 2005 22:31. Posts 1651

Wtf did he have you call you down so far.

His play doesn't make sense =[

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tontonba   . Dec 15 2005 22:32. Posts 1281

78 he MUST HAVE HAD 78, most likely of clubs to call that bet on the turn.

nuff said 

Red9   Canada. Dec 15 2005 22:33. Posts 7447

well it does make sense if you combine the probability described by ton and myself,tp on the flop tp+ fd on the turn,river misses he folds

I will grind you into dust. 

tontonba   . Dec 15 2005 22:36. Posts 1281

78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 CLUBS

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Red9   Canada. Dec 15 2005 22:38. Posts 7447

QcXc QcXc QcXc QcXc QcXc QcXc QcXc QcXc!!!!!!!!!

I will grind you into dust. 

tontonba   . Dec 15 2005 22:39. Posts 1281

ridiculous, who calls a raise in first position with Qc Xc?? unless its Ac Qc, but he DIDNT PLAY it like he had AcQc!!

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Highcard   Canada. Dec 15 2005 22:39. Posts 5428

Check/calling is a sure sign of fishing. You are right in thinking that he would fold anyways and checking would be advised to avoid an unlikely but disasterous raise. I would have put him on A-Qsuited from the way he played it but it is the quiet calling guys you have to watch out for ><

edited: perhaps he had a read on you and was playing his out but most likely just a fish that was pwned.

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the timeLast edit: 15/12/2005 22:43

Red9   Canada. Dec 15 2005 22:40. Posts 7447

we will never know...

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tontonba   . Dec 15 2005 22:41. Posts 1281

the only hand that even remotely makes sense is 7c8c. you can take that to the bank.

think about how HUGE this pot was. 300$ by the river. if opponent paired his Q, he should at least CALL the 120$ bet on the river. opponent didnt pair, only other option can be 7c8c.

nuff saidLast edit: 15/12/2005 22:43

fira   United States. Dec 15 2005 23:22. Posts 6345

i'm starting to think AcQc... i don't see how he would call the flop with 8c7c with only a gutshot when i'm betting like 2/3 of the pot


tontonba   . Dec 16 2005 13:21. Posts 1281

wahaha, this is why you would have lost a LOT of mone if a 6 fell rather than a 10. he didnt have a gut shot, he had a double belly buster. 6 OR a 10 would give him a straight with 78.

tsk tsk tsk, fira. tsk... tsk...

nuff said 

 

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