i might give this up after his raise or just call and see a turn, but reraising is definitely fuckin nuts

a reminraise at that

what is his image?

probably a donk play but i like it, calling oop, check/folding the turn seems awful especially if there is no diamond there, an AGG JK might play it like that, plus you get foldi equity.

you really think the better line is to just call i dunno you might be right, im in a tough spot here though with how big the pot is getting if i reraaise much more and he moves in im practically committed to calling his all in, i really dunno how i shoul dhave played this...

i know nothing about this guy as i just sat down at table but to move in after i reraised him def says im beat imo. i just dont see any hand that plays i can beat that will play it like this....and really the only hand i am beating is JK

uhh who cares if the turn is a fuckin diamond he can't make a flush without at least a diamond on the board you retard

i'm not talking about calling to hit a jack or an ace (although that would be nice) because you're definitely not getting odds to draw to that

you want to re-evaluate your TPTK on the turn

i see JT or TT or JJ or 55 or a shitload of things that beat you

also you 5bb raise UTG with AJ is a little fucked up imo but if it's for image

y'know

whatever you gotta do

also you 5bb raise UTG with AJ is a little fucked up imo but if it's for image

y'know

whatever you gotta do[/QUOTE]


ill open fold Ajo in early pos but i do play a little looser than most of the Tag's on this site but to raise with AJs in any pos in my opinion is not a bad play, and in early position im not gonna limp with it, im either gonna come in for a raise or fold preflop and 5bb is my standard raise for any hand im raising with, i dont think raising preflop here is a bad play at all

well i think unless you're manipulating or trying to keep up an image AJs is not a very playable hand UTG in full ring but if you can outplay your opponents postflop oop then far be it by me to criticize your hand selection

well it isnt a bad play but i elect to call with this hand 60-40 i call 60 % and i raise 40% of the time.

I dont like to open raise aj, a10 from ep . Hell i dont like open raising aq from early pos but you have too

i do try and play a little lag at some points i want the regulars with the big stacks to see me playing a wide range of hands in alot of different positions and depending on how i am running i will change gears but i think playing a little looser at different points in a session will bring about the type of action i am looking for when i hit my big hands , particularly against the better players, both during each individual session and in the long run. i post hands like these cause while my postflop play is improving it is still not at the level it needs to be for me to be a true lag

On April 24 2006 01:58 Pokerintheface wrote: uhh who cares if the turn is a fuckin diamond he can't make a flush without at least a diamond on the board you retard

Reevaluate what, he is going to shoot, he has shown strenght and unless he is an utter donk who doesnt sense your weakness and he was holding a marginal hand.

Probably the standard thing would be to call, but if he didnt play ABC poker doesnt mean he played it wrong specially if villian is loose this is definitely a better play.

And whats with you calling me moron when you were the one who couldnt read you fish.

On April 24 2006 02:13 Rocks2BeGood wrote: well it isnt a bad play but i elect to call with this hand 60-40 i call 60 % and i raise 40% of the time. I dont like to open raise aj, a10 from ep . Hell i dont like open raising aq from early pos but you have too

the only thing i will limp fwith from ep is a pp 88 or lower, other than that if im gonna play a hand from up front im gonna come in for a raise, this might leave me open to a reraise but i feel more comfortable being the aggressor and i think it gives me fold equity and allows me to win much bigger pots when i do hit my hand

but i would fold that crap pf btw, even if you want to play lag be more positional.

uhh flops like this are the reason you don't want to play medium quality hands UTG, or, worse yet, raise them

jack high (other than a straight/flush) is the flop you're looking for with AJ, a rainbow at that, and yet you're facing lots of aggression without position and are put in a tough spot having "hit your hand," it's the same deal with AQ and you hit an ace high flop and are facing aggression oop

and baal i have no idea what you're talking about i can't tell if you're insulting me or tripsearching or what

I think other than his preflop (which I think should have been a fold) this is played perfectly (I think this is one of the only 3 cases that mini raise is the right thing to do). Preflop should be a fold but since you decided to play it you played it fine. And I'm ready to actually bet his stack that he has you beat there(I think it's 10s actually).

you because you cant obviously realize i was saying there isnt even a backdoor flushdraw there to have a minimal draw explaining why re-raising isnt so wrong, its not ABC but its definitelly a good line against a lag

It's pretty transparent if you never raise utg with anything but AK+... Although you can probably get away with it at $100nl, Adam probably plans to move up at some point so it's good to learn to play this type of hand.
Open limping fucking blows, you'll lose money calling AQ/AJ in ep.

look

an UTG raise subconsciously assigns the pf raiser AK or TT+, when you bet that flop and get raised what is reraise going to do

he raised your PSB, he can definitely beat AJ or probably any overpair

unless he's a dumbass which you have to evaluate on your own and the hh can't answer, you have to take his word for it that AJ is no good here and that he flopped a set or 2pair

which is why i said that folding the flop is my first inclination but if you want to continue in the hand calling is probably better than reraising

you don't want to play a big pot with only a pair reraising is only going to get you committed and if he has KJ and thinks you're full of it you will win, keep the pot more manageable, and gain information on your opponent

(goodkarma: that's why you fuckin fold AJ to a raise when UTG)

well if you are going to mix it up in ep preflop, i would definitely raise with suited connectors or other kind of hands that nobody that calls after you might absolutely dominte.

And if you showdown them i think it will give you a much more laggy image than raising with AJ

why is there always fucking in these posts,.

i agree with baal on that one raising AJ in EP is only going to win you small pots or lose you big ones, whereas with an SC or a pp you will lose small pots and win big ones

On April 24 2006 02:33 Pokerintheface wrote: look an UTG raise subconsciously assigns the pf raiser AK or TT+, when you bet that flop and get raised what is reraise going to do he raised your PSB, he can definitely beat AJ or probably any overpair unless he's a dumbass which you have to evaluate on your own and the hh can't answer, you have to take his word for it that AJ is no good here and that he flopped a set or 2pair which is why i said that folding the flop is my first inclination but if you want to continue in the hand calling is probably better than reraising you don't want to play a big pot with only a pair reraising is only going to get you committed and if he has KJ and thinks you're full of it you will win, keep the pot more manageable, and gain information on your opponent (goodkarma: that's why you fuckin fold AJ to a raise when UTG)

I totally disagree it's either a raise or a fold. what you want to achive by callin? What you want to fall on the turn? You either fold and give up or you raise just to make sure you are beat for sure. Never call those flops with hands like that.

I agree with foldin AJ but I think if you decide to play AJ from UTG(I don't care why you make such a decision) you should come out with a raise rather than limp.

How can you fold to a raise when utg?

On April 24 2006 02:37 Rocks2BeGood wrote: why is there always fucking in these posts,.

because of the age range!

On April 24 2006 02:37 Rocks2BeGood wrote: why is there always fucking in these posts,.

Because people think more swearing = more credibility.

On April 24 2006 02:39 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2006 02:33 Pokerintheface wrote: look an UTG raise subconsciously assigns the pf raiser AK or TT+, when you bet that flop and get raised what is reraise going to do he raised your PSB, he can definitely beat AJ or probably any overpair unless he's a dumbass which you have to evaluate on your own and the hh can't answer, you have to take his word for it that AJ is no good here and that he flopped a set or 2pair which is why i said that folding the flop is my first inclination but if you want to continue in the hand calling is probably better than reraising you don't want to play a big pot with only a pair reraising is only going to get you committed and if he has KJ and thinks you're full of it you will win, keep the pot more manageable, and gain information on your opponent (goodkarma: that's why you fuckin fold AJ to a raise when UTG) I totally disagree it's either a raise or a fold. what you want to achive by callin? What you want to fall on the turn? You either fold and give up or you raise just to make sure you are beat for sure. Never call those flops with hands like that. I agree with foldin AJ but I think if you decide to play AJ from UTG(I don't care why you make such a decision) you should come out with a raise rather than limp.

what do you accomplish by calling? you accomplish winning the pot if you think you're ahead

what is raising for

your minraise when he raises your psb is a terrible play, you have pretty much NO fold equity whatsover unless he was on 100% bluff so what the fuck is raising gonna do you

you NEVER want to play a big pot with this kind of a hand out of position

i am saying IF you want to continue in the hand

MEANING THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE AHEAD HERE

then calling is better than raising

On April 24 2006 02:41 GoodKarma wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2006 02:37 Rocks2BeGood wrote: why is there always fucking in these posts,. Because people think more swearing = more credibility.

because people don't think!! They just see somethin and they open their mouth and when you open your mouth without thinkin usually emotions comes out rather than thoughts and that's why lotta of you guys have lota growin to do.

Laugh

Out

Loud

ROFL

60$ in then you fold

On April 24 2006 02:43 Pokerintheface wrote: what do you accomplish by calling? you accomplish winning the pot if you think you're ahead what is raising for your minraise when he raises your psb is a terrible play, you have pretty much NO fold equity whatsover unless he was on 100% bluff so what the fuck is raising gonna do you you NEVER want to play a big pot with this kind of a hand out of position i am saying IF you want to continue in the hand MEANING THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE AHEAD HERE then calling is better than raising

I just wanna go ahead and disagree with you there once again if you think you are ahead you raise you never call unless you are slow playin a monster hand or you are on a draw and tryin to improve. And you don't call since scare cards can hit the board on later streets if your hand is not really that much of a great hand. And here there is not even a single card in the deck that can come on 4th street and make you confident about the stregth of your hand.

so basically you're saying

you want to reraise here because you're not confident in your postflop play

yes reraising will definitely make postflop play easier

it will also make paying 55, TT, JJ, and JT off much easier

On April 24 2006 02:48 Rekrul wrote: ROFL 60$ in then you fold

what's wrong with that? he had like $90 behind to save when he made a "feelin bet" and now he is %100 sure he is bet. I'm not sayin it's the perfect play I think it's more just a matter of taste and style how to play these.

a minreraise is not a feeling bet

if he calls you have no idea where you are

look this is very bsaic of the basic EV

you are saying you should raise here for information

you are losing money raising, have no fold equity, and you gain almost no information except when he pushes which means that you're definitely beat

that information is not worth the cost of the reraise so it's obviously -EV so don't do it

On April 24 2006 02:53 Pokerintheface wrote: yes reraising will definitely make postflop play easier it will also make paying 55, TT, JJ, and JT off much easier

It will also make KJ, QJ, AT, KQ, 89 pay. And make some weak tight AJ to fold.

On April 24 2006 02:58 Pokerintheface wrote: a minreraise is not a feeling bet if he calls you have no idea where you are

Actually I think it does in these cases. look at it this way you are givein him one more chance to act while you are showin strength with the min prize. there are only 3 cases that I think min raise is the correct play. and this is one of those

NONE of those hands raise that a PSB on that flop except MAYBE 89 or KQ, maybe an AJ but i doubt it

reMINraising is absolutely worthless if he has those hands because you're pricing him in for his draw anyway and AJ he's may fold or may not but it's not worth the extra 25 for that little fold equity

and 99% of the time your opponent is not fuckin retarded enough to raise you with that shit other than 89 or KQ

On April 24 2006 03:04 Pokerintheface wrote: NONE of those hands raise that a PSB on that flop except MAYBE 89 or KQ, maybe an AJ but i doubt it reMINraising is absolutely worthless if he has those hands because you're pricing him in for his draw anyway and AJ he's may fold or may not but it's not worth the extra 25 for that little fold equity and 99% of the time your opponent is not fuckin retarded enough to raise you with that shit other than 89 or KQ

they do that shit to me all the time when Im makin continuation bet after the flop.

yes it might be someone thinking ur cont betting with a missed flop.