Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #5118047575: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/06/01 - 10:36:38 (ET)
Table 'Mentor' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Daut44 ($600 in chips)
Seat 2: fixedset ($905.10 in chips)
Seat 3: TAMIRUSH ($757.25 in chips)
Seat 4: jinsheng ($1049.10 in chips)
Seat 5: DEEKASH ($451.50 in chips)
Seat 7: ImUrPapi ($606.55 in chips)
Seat 8: utreg ($591 in chips)
Seat 9: Fat Boy 44 ($603 in chips)
Fat Boy 44: posts small blind $3
Daut44: posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to Daut44
fixedset: folds
TAMIRUSH: calls $6
jinsheng: calls $6
DEEKASH: calls $6
ImUrPapi: folds
utreg: folds
Fat Boy 44: calls $3
Daut44 said, "od"
tspkd is disconnected
Daut44: checks

Flop (Pot : $30)

   
Fat Boy 44: checks
Daut44: bets $24
TAMIRUSH: folds
jinsheng: calls $24
DEEKASH: calls $24
Fat Boy 44: raises $126 to $150
Daut44: calls $126
jinsheng: folds
DEEKASH: calls $126

Turn (Pot : $504)

   
Fat Boy 44: bets $447 and is all-in
Daut44: calls $444 and is all-in
DEEKASH: folds

River (Pot : $1398)

   

Showdown
Fat Boy 44: shows (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Daut44: mucks hand
Fat Boy 44 collected $1389 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1392 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Daut44 (big blind) mucked
Seat 2: fixedset folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TAMIRUSH folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jinsheng folded on the Flop
Seat 5: DEEKASH folded on the Turn
Seat 7: ImUrPapi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: utreg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Fat Boy 44 (small blind) showed and won ($1389) with a straight, Deuce to Six

thought about this one for a long time

i find this hand fairly interesting.
preflop/original flop play i think are standard.
calling/pushing vs his 126 raise are both options
calling/folding turn are both options

Considering the money in the pot I think this is a push on flop. You're almost even against a straight, 40-60 against a set and there's probably some fold equity against 333.

plus possibly cleaning my flush outs against dee

your equity is much higher on the flop, so I say push there.

Not sure about calling that turn.

PS congrats on playing 600 nl, very nice!

Edit: deleted all the rest of my posts cause I'm a moron.

i figured 32:13 v set
32:12 + 3 to tie against 24
32:11 vs 47

was slightly -ev v set/47, was +EV v 24

so i called for image considerations cause the -ev v a set was miniscule

15 outs normally
2 of them pair the board
13 outs

so its 31:13 pardon me
29:12, 3 to tie
33:11

44 total cards cause im accounting for his 2

My bad.

thats an expensive turn call imo

yeah, what about turn?

If by calling you will commit yourself to calling the turn, then folding flop seems best.

just fold turn I guess. specially with that 3rd guy on the flop he could easily have 2 of ur outs.

If you wana do something for image wouldnt pushing a draw be better then fishing for one?

you flat call flop so you can fold turn, because you are convinced he has a monster

Yeah, on the turn you risk an overcall by a higher flush draw, which is damn ugly. Just fold.
You should also try to avoid break even bets, they're you're only increasing your variance. Since you can't win by them, you shouldn't really bother.

Fold turn

On June 01 2006 14:03 Nazgul wrote: you flat call flop so you can fold turn, because you are convinced he has a monster

true, but the other caller on the flop gave me a better price on the turn.

yeah i guess folding turn is correct

Good discussion. Learned a lot.

i don't think it makes much of a difference how this hand is played, although jamming flop is really ugly against what's giving us action on this flop, and we have no way of determining FE (if any).

and the turn is a call imo. barely.