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Handnr: 3548
Submitted by : Oxy

PokerStars Game #3472438704: Tournament #17227584, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/12/29 - 18:33:31 (ET)
Table '17227584 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Oxy (1450 in chips)
Seat 2: DaOrkinMan (1620 in chips)
Seat 3: Ferr360f1 (1870 in chips)
Seat 4: MookMonster (1070 in chips)
Seat 5: AndreiRom (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: wathen21 (1790 in chips)
Seat 8: freakshow1 (1080 in chips)
Seat 9: benc123 (3140 in chips)
benc123: posts small blind 15
Oxy: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Oxy 6h4h]
DaOrkinMan: folds
Ferr360f1: folds
MookMonster: folds
AndreiRom: folds
wathen21: folds
freakshow1: calls 30
benc123: calls 15
Oxy: checks
*** FLOP *** 5h7hTs]
benc123: bets 60
Oxy: raises 150 to 210
freakshow1: calls 210
benc123: folds
*** TURN *** 5h7hTsKd]
Oxy: bets 1210 and is all-in
freakshow1: calls 840 and is all-in
Oxy said, "whoops"
*** RIVER *** 5h7hTsKdJc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Oxy: shows 6h4h] (high card King)
freakshow1: shows AhAs] (a pair of Aces)
freakshow1 collected 2250 from pot
Oxy said, "OESFD :P"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2250 | Rake 0
Board 5h7hTsKdJc]
Seat 1: Oxy (big blind) showed 6h4h] and lost with high card King
Seat 2: DaOrkinMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ferr360f1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MookMonster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: AndreiRom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wathen21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: freakshow1 (button) showed AhAs] and won (2250) with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: benc123 (small blind) folded on the Flop

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tontonba   . Dec 29 2005 16:45. Posts 1281

dang so many outs

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[vital]Myth    United States. Dec 29 2005 16:58. Posts 12159

I like the raise on the flop to push out the third player. However, on the turn there's 570 in the pot and you have 1210. If you push and get called, and we assume that any of your fifteen straight and flush outs are good, then you're going to win 570 + 1210 = 1780, 15 out of 46 times. So about 1/3 of the time, you win 1780, giving you (1/3)*1780 = +593 from winning when you get called. Two out of three times, you lose 1210, for a loss of (2/3)*1210 = -807. So, you need to get him to fold a good percentage of the time for the push on the turn to be a profitable play. How often? Well, there is 570 in the pot and you need to recover 807-593 = 214 chips. This is about 38% of the pot. So, if the guy who flat called a bet and a raise on that flop folds 38% of the time, you break even.

You really think he folds that often?

EDIT: I'm not sure this is right...the percentage of the time he folds changes the amount of chips you lose overall, because he doesn't always call. I'll try to work it out better, but this is sufficient for the basic premise I guess.

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUserLast edit: 29/12/2005 17:00

Oxy   Canada. Dec 29 2005 17:01. Posts 2293

c/f the turn?

this shit is OBSURD 

[vital]Myth    United States. Dec 29 2005 17:05. Posts 12159

Yeah...you can probably cut your raise on the flop to like 150 as well, and save your money when this kind of thing happens, and then check/call turn if the cold caller gives you odds, check/fold otherwise.

EDIT: I was still wrong. Here we go...

If he folds a proportion x of the time, then we need that proportion multiplied by the size of the current pot to be equal to (1-x) times the average outcome when he does call. On average, you lose 213 chips when he calls. So, we have

(1-x)[213] = x(570)

So

213 - x(213) = x(570)
213 = x(570+213)
x = about 27%

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUserLast edit: 29/12/2005 17:32

 

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