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Why havnt you busted yet?

wow talk about bad beat i had one like this earlier when i had KK and i raised preflop and flop comes 543 and i bet out pot and he calls and turn is a blank and i push and he calls and he had T2 and made a straight on the river what a dumbass

but this is just inexcusable

why should he bust? bad beats don't make you go busto -_-

I wasnt posting because its a bad beat


im posting because of my sick read that he has AK, push.... and I'm rewarded by being rivered


65/35 is hardly a bad beat

"sick read"

......

this particular thing wasn't a bad beat but I don't see _why_ this hand makes people believe you should be busto.

because he is the worst player on lp.net

did you even READ the bibbob33 or whatever thread?

aw well, the worst player that posts hands regularly

As Kc 246 24.85 744 75.15 0 0.00 0.248
5s 5c 744 75.15 246 24.85 0 0.00 0.752
yeah that's a bad beat but this is still a good "read" if you even want to call it that; i don't personally believe you can really have a read on a halfstack at a 25NL game of this level, they're just too unpredictable, but if you're more than 60% sure he doesn't check AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 AKh on this flop then sure good play

On June 02 2006 08:28 SakiSaki wrote: because he is the worst player on lp.net

come play on PS fishieeeee


exactly.... now run along and go play with the other retards

So the fact that you play on ps justifies that you play like a complete moron? Please...

He's FAR from the worst player lol...

theres nothing wrong with this play whatsoever, shut the fuck up

hmmmm, how is putting money in when you're a favoite playing like a complete moron?

This is alot better than limping under the gun and going set hunting which is all anyone does nowadays, bastards.

this is 6 max kids... i raise 2/3'rds of the hands


edit: zomg just raised a5o, shhh dont tell UTG EVEN

wasnt talking about this play in perticular...

And i can agree on that this isnt that bad of a play but saying its based on a "sick read" of a shortstacked nl25 player is just stupid.

Well, pair of 5's surely isn't everlasting hand, I doubt it's worth it in the long run, 1st of all you'll need to have good read in every single case when you are multitabling (8?) and on top of that it will still be a bit of a coinflip, even if he doesn't hit the flop.
Honestly doubt it's worth it, maybe go play tournaments? ;p

dunno about u, but i somehow dont believe that u can be so sure that he doesnt have the hand just because he checks flop, especially when he is so retarded to call allin after. my guess is he could do the same with AA, ....

In 6max you should never limp, especially in early position. So unless you want to fold 55 utg you are raising. Am I right? This is exactly what an aggressive 6max player should do because it will help him get paid off with his big hands, and your easily getting called by high cards here and you can tell when they miss.

like i said shortstacks on 25NL are very capable of (or rather, prone to) checking overpairs on boards like these so you have to be extremely confident that you are correct on this particular player which is not easy especially against an idiot. i think pushing here is simply -EV because when he has AK say 50% of the time he'll (obviously) call and win 25% of the time, and when he has AA-TT the other 50% of the time he'll call and win 90% of the time or whatever it is

simply not worth it. if you think you can put him on AK exactly then wait for a blank turn so that you're pretty sure he doesn't have an overpair and push.

and at 25NL trying fancy plays with PP's or SC's is simply not going to lose you more money than you would with limping because you don't have enough fold equity postflop because these players are calling stations. just limp/call hit your set and stack the TPTK's and you'll make money

On June 02 2006 08:43 Joe wrote: dunno about u, but i somehow dont believe that u can be so sure that he doesnt have the hand just because he checks flop, especially when he is so retarded to call allin after. my guess is he could do the same with AA, ....

his dumbass had AK, I know this because I am the leetnes

Ill post the next time I run into AA KK (which will be never, so dont get your hopes up, yeah?)

don't raise with 55, utg it's even worse
don't call his reraise
don't bet the flop

at least, i wouldn't.

On June 02 2006 08:45 Pokerintheface wrote: like i said shortstacks on 25NL are very capable of (or rather, prone to) checking overpairs on boards like these so you have to be extremely confident that you are correct on this particular player which is not easy especially against an idiot. i think pushing here is simply -EV because when he has AK say 50% of the time he'll (obviously) call and win 25% of the time, and when he has AA-TT the other 50% of the time he'll call and win 90% of the time or whatever it is simply not worth it. if you want to put him on AK exactly then wait for a blank turn and push.

In 9max the chance that atleast one player has a pocket pair is somewhere around 45-50%, in 6max that percentage plummets to about 30%. That makes high pocket pairs less likely and any pair a little bit stronger than it would be in 9max utg.

VERY lose play O_O

guess you're very sure that he has AK with that reraise of him @flop *cough*

It is a loose play but 6max is where you are supposed to play loose.

nondeterministic logic is pretty much practically useless in a hand-by-hand analysis. he has 2 cards and we can deduce they are most likely a big pocket pair or AK, the same way that you could lay down two queens or kings preflop because you think your opponent has aces no matter how unlikely it is due to how the hand played out, the same way that you fold the second nuts because the hand says he must have the nuts. i know how to play 6-max and i know the difference between shorthanded and full ring but the fact that pairs are less likely in 6-max changes nothing about this hand.

On June 02 2006 08:47 leetnes wrote: Show nested quote + On June 02 2006 08:43 Joe wrote: dunno about u, but i somehow dont believe that u can be so sure that he doesnt have the hand just because he checks flop, especially when he is so retarded to call allin after. my guess is he could do the same with AA, .... his dumbass had AK, I know this because I am the leetnes Ill post the next time I run into AA KK (which will be never, so dont get your hopes up, yeah?)

If that's true, why do you play 25nl?

stealing for some bad beat glory.

AJ vs A5. guess what. runner runner straight.
AQ vs AT guess what. T river.


lalala. allin turn BOTH times. they sure love them crappy kickers.

On June 02 2006 08:50 Pokerintheface wrote: nondeterministic logic is pretty much practically useless in a hand-by-hand analysis. he has 2 cards and we can deduce they are most likely a big pocket pair or AK, the same way that you could lay down two queens or kings preflop because you think your opponent has aces no matter how unlikely it is due to how the hand played out, the same way that you fold the second nuts because the hand says he must have the nuts. i know how to play 6-max and i know the difference between shorthanded and full ring but the fact that pairs are less likely in 6-max changes nothing about this hand.

This player is willing to call a raise with AK / AQ / KJ / etc who knows what else and will call a push on the flop with 2 overcards. There are so many more combonations of random high cards then there are high pairs. Enough said. All 1337ness needs to do is be able to identify some pattern in that players behavior based on the texture of the flop and act accordingly.

On June 02 2006 08:45 Pokerintheface wrote: like i said shortstacks on 25NL are very capable of (or rather, prone to) checking overpairs on boards like these so you have to be extremely confident that you are correct on this particular player which is not easy especially against an idiot. i think pushing here is simply -EV because when he has AK say 50% of the time he'll (obviously) call and win 25% of the time, and when he has AA-TT the other 50% of the time he'll call and win 90% of the time or whatever it is simply not worth it. if you think you can put him on AK exactly then wait for a blank turn so that you're pretty sure he doesn't have an overpair and push. and at 25NL trying fancy plays with PP's or SC's is simply not going to lose you more money than you would with limping because you don't have enough fold equity postflop because these players are calling stations. just limp/call hit your set and stack the TPTK's and you'll make money

Amen

On June 02 2006 08:57 nomanirvana wrote: This player is willing to call a raise with AK / AQ / KJ / etc who knows what else and will call a push on the flop with 2 overcards. There are so many more combonations of random high cards then there are high pairs. Enough said. All 1337ness needs to do is be able to identify some pattern in that players behavior based on the texture of the flop and act accordingly.

this is the same stupid nondeterministic logic. it is not equally likely that he has 2 random big cards and they may or may not be paired; it is more likely that they are AA-TT or AK. that is the information that he gives us when he reraises and that's what chris must use to play the hand, not the idea that he could have any 2 cards and it's more likely that he doesn't have a pair when he was dealt 2 cards so my 5's must be good

btw i made a stupid typo i said it is more profitable to play SC's and PP's fancy at 25NL, i meant that it isn't >_<

Actually I didnt even realize he re-raised preflop I thought he flat called, nevermind.