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Handnr: 36948 Submitted by : BigRed0000
PokerStars Game #5177891098: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/06/07 - 01:09:41 (ET)
Table 'Bellona V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ipbeach4141 ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 2: nookiepwnz ($23.05 in chips)
Seat 3: F3ARdaRIVER ($33.05 in chips)
Seat 4: glittergulch ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: ojmurff ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 6: BigRed0000 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 7: chris201322 ($31.15 in chips)
Seat 8: cmp06 ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 9: lconway67 ($23.55 in chips)
BigRed0000: posts small blind $0.10
chris201322: posts big blind $0.25
glittergulch: posts big blind $0.25
Holecards Dealt to BigRed0000 
cmp06: folds
lconway67: folds
cmp06 leaves the table
umich guy joins the table at seat #8
ipbeach4141: folds
nookiepwnz: calls $0.25
F3ARdaRIVER: calls $0.25
glittergulch: checks
ojmurff: calls $0.25
BigRed0000: calls $0.15
chris201322: raises $2.25 to $2.50
nookiepwnz: folds
F3ARdaRIVER: calls $2.25
glittergulch: folds
ojmurff: folds
BigRed0000: calls $2.25
Flop (Pot : $8.25)
  BigRed0000: checks
chris201322: checks
F3ARdaRIVER: checks
Turn (Pot : $8.25)
   BigRed0000: checks
chris201322: checks
F3ARdaRIVER: bets $0.75
BigRed0000: calls $0.75
chris201322: raises $2 to $2.75
F3ARdaRIVER: calls $2
BigRed0000: calls $2
River (Pot : $16.5)
    BigRed0000: checks
chris201322: bets $4.50
F3ARdaRIVER: folds
BigRed0000: raises $15 to $19.50 and is all-in
chris201322 said, "nice fold"
chris201322: calls $15
Showdown BigRed0000: shows  (three of a kind, Tens)
chris201322: shows  (three of a kind, Nines)
BigRed0000 collected $52.80 from pot
glittergulch is sitting out
chris201322 said, "OUCH"
nookiepwnz said, "damn"
chris201322 said, "ouch ouch ouch"
Summary Total pot $55.50 | Rake $2.70
Board     
Seat 1: ipbeach4141 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: nookiepwnz folded before Flop
Seat 3: F3ARdaRIVER folded on the River
Seat 4: glittergulch folded before Flop
Seat 5: ojmurff (button) folded before Flop
Seat 6: BigRed0000 (small blind) showed  and won ($52.80) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: chris201322 (big blind) showed  and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 8: cmp06 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lconway67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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BigRed0000   United States. Jun 06 2006 23:15. Posts 3554 | | |
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nomanirvana   United States. Jun 06 2006 23:36. Posts 2523 | | |
you definitely did not have pot odds for a 2-outer (for the final turn call), if you are calling that turn its for implied odds which you may or may not have had
you were getting like 7 to 1 there on the turn (the final call) which comes out to like 15%, you are 5% to improve (no pot odds) and you got paid off 20 which isnt gauranteed since you checkraised the river - but if it were gauranteed its probably still -EV
95/100 times you lose 2 or 2.75ish dollars and 5/100 times you win 20? Does that look like a net gain? 5(+20) = +100, 95(-2) = -180. Nope.
also probably a very bad idea to do this without the 10d unless the board is paired, im sure you realize that |
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BigRed0000   United States. Jun 06 2006 23:38. Posts 3554 | | |
I had the 10d and I did factor in implied odds. |
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nomanirvana   United States. Jun 06 2006 23:41. Posts 2523 | | |
How did you calculate implied odds?
95/100 times you lose 2 dollars and 5/100 times you win 28(approx)? Does that look like a net gain? 5(+28) = +140, 95(-2) = -180. Nope, you are losing 40 cents everytime you call. And thats if you are GAURANTEED to win 20 on the river.
There are a few more things to include though (rake, preflop investment etc), but at best I think its a break-even move and that would be stretching it. The first call of 75 cents gives you better odds but the raise fucks it up. Since you have something around 3 dollars already invested in the hand though maybe its a break even play, maybe.
You should definitely frontbet the river though because if they check behind that would really suck. |
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