I think i played it correctly, but i guess there s nothing u can do with those hands

pf = correct
flop = wrooooong and weak
turn = weak
river = don't know really

Well i am not sure wether my flop would be "weak" maybe because of flush possibilities ?

Same for my turn, seems like a perfectly correct value bet now that there is an ace to let him call me ( i had put him on somthing like Ax) many people call with Ax on NL 25 even thought it is not correct

yeah misread turn bet. sorry.


but checking flop after hitting top set is so fishy and wrong.

they either have something or they don't. simple as that.

don't let them draw you out for free.


edit: but i'm pretty aggressive sooo... depends on style i guess.

Ok thank you for your time.

You might be right, but i have seen so many of those nl 25$ call me with a Ax that i wanted to let him a chance to completely sucks his stacks

But yeah thanks for the advice i appreciate it

You have the absolute nuts on the flop I think its imperative that you bet to isolate a hand that can pay you off. You want to play for stacks not just small pots. So many hands liked this flop, theres combo straightflush draws, two pair possibility, AK etc etc. You want to isolate one of these hands. If you bet this flop he'd probably raise you with AA and thats want you want.

In my experience, at 25nl if you want to play for stacks betting out with a set / the nuts is the most deceptive and profitable thing you can do.

Lucifer, wouldnt you say though that it would be good to check if the flop didnt have a flush draw? Because if you check to him and he did catch a jack he'll bet for you, then if he catches an A(lets say he had AJ for two pair) or another jack you could make big money.

It just seems to me that sometimes checking a set on flop is good to try to let your opponent catch a pair or draw that he can pay you off with, but I'm probably way off

Checkraising represents strength, you want to represent weakness without risking getting outdrawn. This board is draw-heavy so you have to play it in a way that maximizes value from draws and also made hands. If he has a hand that he isnt folding under any circumstances, then all you have to do is aggressively bet into him and extract value, no point being fancy. If he has a draw you want him to chase it without having implied odds (give him 2:1 or worse on every street if possible). The only time you should be tricky is if you are pretty sure he has a borderline hand that he likes but can get away from (not a draw).

If you knew his exact cards or are really good at reading his hand then you can play it a variety of different ways depending on what he has, but in online poker it is hard to do that. I think the best way to show weakness is to bet out the flop, if he raises you flat call and then checkraise all in on the turn if he bets. This is risky against a draw though, so if he is the type of player that will raise a draw in position then be careful with that play. Just betting out and 3betting the whole way is a pretty standard line to maximize value from lots of hands. If he is willing to go all in on the flop with his AA then its best to be all in on the flop.

Also keep in mind that a club on the turn could be a scare card for him as well as for you and if he has something like AK or KJ you lose potential value if that turn comes.

On June 07 2006 09:31 nomanirvana wrote: You have the absolute nuts on the flop I think its imperative that you bet to isolate a hand that can pay you off. You want to play for stacks not just small pots. So many hands liked this flop, theres combo straightflush draws, two pair possibility, AK etc etc. You want to isolate one of these hands. If you bet this flop he'd probably raise you with AA and thats want you want. In my experience, at 25nl if you want to play for stacks betting out with a set / the nuts is the most deceptive and profitable thing you can do.

Seems strong advice, thanks