Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #3509986734: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/01/02 - 12:39:42 (ET)
Table 'Astyanax IV' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Zwett ($281.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Termin8or ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokerbengan ($147.95 in chips)
Seat 4: tdb65 ($18 in chips)
Seat 5: Daut44 ($200.25 in chips)
Seat 6: StickStack ($50.70 in chips)
tdb65: posts small blind $0.50
Daut44: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Daut44 ]
StickStack: folds
Zwett: raises $3 to $4
Termin8or: folds
Pokerbengan: folds
tdb65: folds
Daut44: calls $3
*** FLOP *** ]
Daut44: bets $4
Zwett: raises $8 to $12
Daut44: raises $26 to $38
Zwett: folds
Daut44 collected $30.90 from pot
Daut44: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32.50 | Rake $1.60
Board ]
Seat 1: Zwett folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Termin8or folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Pokerbengan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tdb65 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Daut44 (big blind) collected ($30.90)
Seat 6: StickStack folded before Flop (didn't bet)

good. i don't see any reason to call here so you played it excactly as I would.

shoulda slowplayed it, call his $12 then raise/reraise on the turn and he would have paid you out, still well played and a nice pot

well there were a lot of cards i didnt want to see on the turn

what does help me is that the A is a heart. i put him on AK AQ so i wanted to get money in before a card came that would scare him or me off

i dont mind seeing a turn here.

dont think he would have folded AK, AQ

Ok.

So his raise meant AK AQ to me (which i ultimately doubt he had because he folded). I wanted to pump the pot against those hands cause I wouldnt feel as safe firing at a J or T turn. (cause AT AJ are definitely in his hand range).

should i reraise flop?


suppose i just call flop. What is my turn action if
a) a heart falls
b) the board pairs (and doesnt give me quads)
c) a J or T falls
d) a safe card falls

keep in mind we are both deepstacked

i would flat call the reraise and see how the hand unfolds

i wouldn't wait until the turn, too dangerous on a connected/partially suited board

Yeah.. I think this was played well. His reraise said to you that he really wanted to play this hand. In addition, this is a flop that you expect to get a lot of action on. So why not try to get some more money in there, and kill the draws.

I don't put him on AQ or KQ here, just because there is only one queen out there.

I'd say his most likely holdings are A-K (though some players would have reraised with this), and AJ suited (probably spades). His call is loose with AJs but possible, and he's thinking "I have top pair, and a draw that might bail me out, so why not make a move here."

The only other hand I think that is possible is Jh10h, but if he has that hand then his PF call is once again questionable.

You are going to make too much money off of AK to not reraise this. In addition a person that calls with a questionable holding may very well call with a less than premium post flop holding as well.

On January 02 2006 11:16 pooper-scooper wrote: The only other hand I think that is possible is Jh10h, but if he has that hand then his PF call is once again questionable.

I'd say his fold on flop was questionable with .

pretty sure he just had a flush draw.

very doubtful he had flush draw. since Ah is on board, and since he raised, he probably has Ax of some sort, where the x is probably pretty high, maybe J T 9. If he did have a flush draw, then he raised preflop with either K9h-K2h or 98h down, because otherwise he would call with position, a gutshot and a flush draw.

he was the utg+1 preflop raiser in a 6 max game, and he raised the flop and folded to my reraise. Im fairly certain he had AJ AT A9, possibly JJ TT (but doubtful), maybe KQ and wanted to stay away from me. However, after his raise (and before his fold) here is the range I put him on:

AA KK AK AQ KQ AJ AT A9 KJ KT JT JJ TT. did not put him on a flush draw, did not put him on anything else. The reason I raised was all the combinations of jacks and tens he could have and how I wouldnt know how to react on both a paired board and a board with J or T. flush draw did not scare me.

also, im out of position, so lets say I do call. Do i now lead the turn or check? He is very likely to check behind. I dont want to give him a free card, so leading the turn would be better. But if im going to lead the turn, shouldnt i reraise the flop?

That brings in another question. Do you guys ever play choppily? like check call, then front bet? what types of situations do you do it in?

hell no you shouldn't flat call. i am a big fan of the reraise with a set, especially on such a dangerous looking flop. think if a J/T/any heart fell, not to mention a 2nd ace or a 2nd king. with a flat call you have no idea if he has AK/AQ/heart draw and suddenly you have no idea what to do on the turn. reraising is ideal because it puts you in control and you narrow down his holdings. if he only calls, you can almost be certain he has a flush draw, possibly with a J or a T for the straight draw too. if he pushes, you know now that he can only have JT/KK/AA/AK/AQ. in either case, even if he folded here, your reraise is 100% the correct move

ok, so here are the questions i have consolidated in one post. again, im not afraid of a flush draw.

First suppose I reraise:
if he comes over the top, what do i do? How much does it matter what his bet is (i.e. if he minraises or if he makes it 90+)

Let's say he calls my reraise. there is now 84 in the pot.
How do I play the following boards:
a) J or T
b) A or K
c) rag


Now, suppose I just call.
How do i proceed on the following boards:
a) J or T
b) A or K
c) rag

Would you ever frontbet after just calling a raise from behind? If so, what situations would you do it in?

im a big fan of flat calling here considering stack sizes

but your mistake here was betting the flop like a pussy

I would min reraise

On January 02 2006 12:00 BigBalls wrote: ok, so here are the questions i have consolidated in one post. again, im not afraid of a flush draw. First suppose I reraise: if he comes over the top, what do i do? How much does it matter what his bet is (i.e. if he minraises or if he makes it 90+) Let's say he calls my reraise. there is now 84 in the pot. How do I play the following boards: a) J or T b) A or K c) rag Now, suppose I just call. How do i proceed on the following boards: a) J or T b) A or K c) rag Would you ever frontbet after just calling a raise from behind? If so, what situations would you do it in?

first i feel it's important to reiterate what rek said, with the pot at 8$ and with such so much .... potential .... on that flop and with the stacks in front of you and your opponent, you MUST bet more. i would say the size of the pot to 3/2 the size of the pot.

however, let's say that we are given the action up to your opponent's raise, i.e. your 4$ bet + his raise:

A) you flat call - if a scare card comes down (A/K/J/T/heart), your options are very limited because you called his raise. you have no idea what your opponent has, anywhere from AA to AJ to Kxh are all possible. furthermore, you are now out of position, leaving you with the option of leading out and risking a huge raise, or, even worse, checking and giving your opponent the opportunity to either bluff at it or to check behind you and see another free card.

if a blank comes down, i would advocate betting into him, just because of the possibilty that he may have semi-bluffed with a draw and betting would be profitable.

B) you reraise and he calls - if you reraise and he calls, i think odds are very high that he is on some sort of draw. perhaps AJ/AT giving him TP with a gut shot at the straight. you may be unafraid of a flush draw but if he flat calls a reraise, you have to give him partial, if minimal, credit for holding 2 hearts. think about it, if he flat calls, is it all that unlikely that he may hold KhTh/KhJh? nonetheless, given the high probability that your opponent is calling with a draw, if certain scare cards comes on the turn (heart/J/T) i would proceed with caution, perhaps checking into him to see his action. if, on the other hand, an A or K falls, i would not be as apprehensive and would probably lead out with it.

C) you reraise and he comes over the top - you must assume AA/KK/AK/AQ/JT here. you are only beating 2 of those 5 hands, and with such a huge call to make i would probably lay down bottom set unless you have an incredibly CONFIDENT read that he does not have AA/KK/JT.