deep in 5+ rebuy pure hate

runner runner nirvana xD bustet in 49th place for 86$ -.- but better than nothing

sharkies .rev: raises 24000 to 36000
Conor150585: folds
SirBlotto : raises 108209 to 142209 and is all-in
prodienst: folds
marco58: folds
A_L_N_A_444: folds

You gave him a perfect spot to squeeze and by just flatting the initial raise you've lost 13% equity going in a 3 way pot while squeezer have you covered, i really advocate not slowplaying aces/kings at this stage. Isolate the raiser by either 3betting or shoving, in this case considering your stack size u don't have the choice but to push all-in. Shows a lot of strenght and i think the guy who are left to act will have a hard time calling with worse.

On March 24 2008 21:30 Sheitan wrote: sharkies .rev: raises 24000 to 36000 Conor150585: folds SirBlotto : raises 108209 to 142209 and is all-in prodienst: folds marco58: folds A_L_N_A_444: folds You gave him a perfect spot to squeeze and by just flatting the initial raise you've lost 13% equity going in a 3 way pot while squeezer have you covered, i really advocate not slowplaying aces/kings at this stage. Isolate the raiser by either 3betting or shoving, in this case considering your stack size u don't have the choice but to push all-in. Shows a lot of strenght and i think the guy who are left to act will have a hard time calling with worse.

WTF? The way poker works is you want more people getting all in preflop with a hand. Results oriented much. Your giving up 13% equity for 50% more money in the pot.

Lol im not result oriented, im just saying he gave this guy a perfect spot to squeeze, what he did and no matter the hand you hold, you lose equity. You could trap one guy and get it in, but 3 way is pretty bad for aces no matter what. Why would you flat in this spot when 5 people are left to act ? Play str8 abc, jam preflop and you increase your equity, that's what poker is all about buddy, not making fancy moves and end up getting sucked out on by marginal holdings.

On March 24 2008 21:43 Sheitan wrote: Lol im not result oriented, im just saying he gave this guy a perfect spot to squeeze, what he did and no matter the hand you hold, you lose equity. You could trap one guy and get it in, but 3 way is pretty bad for aces no matter what. Why would you flat in this spot when 5 people are left to act ? Play str8 abc, jam preflop and you increase your equity, that's what poker is all about buddy, not making fancy moves and end up getting sucked out on by marginal holdings.

Would you rather 1% equity in $1000000 or 100% equity $10?

Poker is about increase your EV. Not your equity.

I'd take the 1% fo sure, but i still believe this play is bad and im waiting for you to prove me wrong. You're a better player than me but i still think this play is flawed and even if the result was unknown i'd still think it's bad. By limping here, you're asking for a squeeze, and if it happens you don't have the choice to call a 3 way all-in pot putting your tourney life on the line. I'd rather jam heads-up than trying to get more chips by inducing a squeeze and flip for all my chips, we have an M of 8 and doubling up here would put us in the confort zone again, so i think flatting here is bad imo, show me where my thinking is wrong.

On March 24 2008 21:56 Sheitan wrote: I'd take the 1% fo sure, but i still believe this play is bad and im waiting for you to prove me wrong. You're a better player than me but i still think this play is flawed and even if the result was unknown i'd still think it's bad. By limping here, you're asking for a squeeze, and if it happens you don't have the choice to call a 3 way all-in pot putting your tourney life on the line. I'd rather jam heads-up than trying to get more chips by inducing a squeeze and flip for all my chips, we have an M of 8 and doubling up here would put us in the confort zone again, so i think flatting here is bad imo, show me where my thinking is wrong.

We have an M of 8 so we're not worried about reverse implied odds. IE if we end up seeing a flop and he hits two pair or a set and we put in all our money it's not that big a mistake. Getting it in against one player is lower variance, and tourneys are allready high variance, but you still want to maximise your EV in situations like this. Getting squeezed on is a good thing. That said, there is an argument to be made for raising, but that argument should be made if you think he's likely to put all his money in preflop and unlikely to do so on most flops or if you think the table is quite passive so no one will squeeze.

Reverse implied odds are not important in this spot and if we end up seeing a flop and he hits his 2 pairs, all our stack is gone there's no chance to get away at this stage since the pot will be 30%+ of our stack and pot odds will make us call no matter what, unlike cash games we play for stacks even with mid pair. So the reverse implied odds factor is irrelevant as we play for stacks here, while doing this move could be done late position, it's highly risky to make it EP when there are still 5 people left to act with one big stack who could easily think we are weak and try to steal the pot by squeezing. Again it's about survival, not tripling up, we want to go back to the confort zone and avoid variance, if we had an M of 5 or less it would be totally legit to make a move like this and try to triple up. But as the tourney advances, each chip has less value and we are only looking for sure double-ups and not put our tourney life into danger.

thanks guys for your thoughts i know i had to push back direct to the raiser on the flop but didn´t expect a squeeze there. really really thought of an insta-push. man after thinking i really played a so bad