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Handnr: 41588
Submitted by : YoMeR

PokerStars Game #5333528148: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/06/22 - 19:15:02 (ET)
Table 'Botolphia' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kdawg45 ($84.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Deeevious ($54.40 in chips)
Seat 3: onegoodplaya ($115.85 in chips)
Seat 4: SuperJaz ($92 in chips)
Seat 5: Jenn415 ($163.45 in chips)
Seat 6: BlackRain79 ($140.70 in chips)
Seat 7: GMAN09 ($152.70 in chips)
Seat 8: jrdgun2 ($99 in chips)
Seat 9: Kennethinho ($85.90 in chips)
Jenn415: posts small blind $0.50
BlackRain79: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to onegoodplaya AcKc
GMAN09: folds
jrdgun2: folds
Kennethinho: folds
kdawg45: calls $1
Deeevious: folds
onegoodplaya: raises $4 to $5
SuperJaz: folds
Jenn415: folds
BlackRain79: folds
kdawg45: calls $4

Flop (Pot : $11.5)

   4h6hTs
kdawg45: checks
onegoodplaya: bets $5.95
kdawg45: calls $5.95

Turn (Pot : $23.4)

   4h6hTsKd
kdawg45: checks
onegoodplaya: bets $12
kdawg45: raises $12 to $24
onegoodplaya: calls $12

River (Pot : $71.4)

   4h6hTsKd5d
kdawg45: bets $50 and is all-in
onegoodplaya: calls $50

Showdown
kdawg45: shows 4s4c (three of a kind, Fours)
onegoodplaya: mucks hand
kdawg45 collected $168.40 from pot

Summary
Total pot $171.40 | Rake $3
Board  4h6hTsKd5d
Seat 1: kdawg45 showed 4s4c and won ($168.40) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: Deeevious folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: onegoodplaya mucked AcKc
Seat 4: SuperJaz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Jenn415 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: BlackRain79 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: GMAN09 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jrdgun2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kennethinho folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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YoMeR   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:19. Posts 12438

fold river or turn? -_-

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eZ Life. 

nomanirvana   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:22. Posts 2523

fuckin checkminraise, there it is

Cant really beat anything on the river except a missed draw bluff I think but checkminraise turn on a draw doesnt make sense so fold.

 Last edit: 22/06/2006 17:24

Moloch   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:24. Posts 6144

if you bet more on the flop you can fold the turn or river, but as played you pretty much have to call here.

pokerintheface 

Daut    United States. Jun 22 2006 17:24. Posts 8955

check behind turn 100%

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

nomanirvana   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:25. Posts 2523

Have to call? Yeah right. He has top pair...


Karma    Australia. Jun 22 2006 17:27. Posts 3538

Yeah check turn, that's your card so no need to bet it...

fish mentality 

Moloch   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:28. Posts 6144

actually, as played i'd be strongly inclined to fold the river but calling is fine too.

ask yourself is he checkraising the turn with only hearts? and does he push the river with KQ? there are two reasonable hands here against which you should be calling imo, and those are KQh and QJh. however, only QJh i can see checkraising the turn, but 44, 66, and KT have you crippled. why would he checkraise on the K, is the question as to whether or not you should call the river

it entirely depends on what kind of a player he is, against an unknown i think you should be folding here by default just on the principle that your one pair is not that great

pokerinthefaceLast edit: 22/06/2006 17:30

nomanirvana   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:29. Posts 2523

checkraising the turn when the K pops up only makes sense if he improved to two pair or was slowplaying the flop - it doesnt complete any draw and the river push can only be a bluff attempt or a monster hand (i'd consider KQ a bluff), I dont see him doing that with anything you beat

and yeah QhJh or QhKh, those are possible...seems like hed checkraise more on the turn with those though, who knows check minraises make no fuckin sense - its usually strength from an unknown donk

 Last edit: 22/06/2006 17:35

Moloch   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:35. Posts 6144

bigballs when you check behind on the turn you're basically setting yourself up to call a bluff from a missed draw or control the pot size against a set, but considering the board 4h 6h Ts, the possible draws are any 2 hearts, 53 (unlikely), 57, and 78. that includes a lot of draws and the only two possible sets are 44 and 66, so don't you think that most of the time you will be giving a draw a free card, more often than you will be controlling the pot size against a set?

and if not, then do you basically have to fold the river if hearts complete and he fires out on the river? what if a 9, 7, or 3 hit and he fires? obviously you call on a blank, but those cards complete possible draws and AK already loses to a set on this board.

obviously my advice is retarded so listen to bigballs

pokerintheface 

Daut    United States. Jun 22 2006 17:37. Posts 8955

you check behind because no hand that check called the flop will also call the turn unless he has a draw
and if he does have a draw you could very easily get a bet from him
yes, im calling a reasonable bet on any river
and if he checks the river im betting

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 22/06/2006 17:38

YoMeR   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:38. Posts 12438

in hindsight, a check behind, then call river woulda been best line here... bleh.

eZ Life. 

Joe   Czech Republic. Jun 22 2006 17:43. Posts 5987

when u check behind turn, pot will be small and u can then call if u feel like he is bluffing and it wont cost u that much if he was actually slowplaying.
dunno whats bigballs line, but thats why i would check behind turn

(edit: this was typed before bigballs 2nd post here)

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell)Last edit: 22/06/2006 17:49

YoMeR   United States. Jun 22 2006 17:46. Posts 12438

basically extractin max value with less risk.

eZ Life. 

Joe   Czech Republic. Jun 22 2006 17:50. Posts 5987

yea

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

 

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