oh my fuckin god some people are REALLY dumb! even dumber than me check raisin him there on that river!

bet flop, turn bet is pathetic

i think capaneo played the hand fine except for that the turn bet should've been a dollar or two bigger

and nominirvana betting the flop is a pretty bad idea, you flop top boat and should not be worried about getting outdrawn. if someone has AJ then the money will be going in by the river, so checking to give weaker hands top pair is definitely the best play, especially when there's so little in the pot that nobody is willing to call down with weak holdings like AT or something

awful

its not at all a horrible idea, theres plenty of draws on that board, you only get 3 streets to bet why waste time, its not about being outdrawn its about making $$$

the turn can kill action from AJ or a variety of other Jx hands, you want people drawing to a straight/flush and then thinking they are good after they hit, they will feel more committed than if you just passively let them hit their hand

because there is only 1 other jack in the deck and you would expect the preflop raiser to bet if he has KQ or a club draw. you WANT someone to hit their gutshot or clubs or whatever, and if somebody makes a monster then the money will go in by the river whether or not there is any flop action. if he had AQ on the flop, which would've made broadway on the turn, betting the flop woulda been a disaster

this is pretty basic poker, you aren't playing penny tables anymore, slowplaying is a good choice in these situations

i think capaneo played the hand fine because he knows that the preflop raiser is a bad player and will get stacked with marginal holdings like J5s or maybe even AK on this board, which is why slowplaying and checkraising the river is acceptable, and perhaps even optimal

yes, KQ and 89 "connected" with this board, but it's far more likely that nobody has anything, which is why it is best to check and let somebody make a hand to pay you off.

the point is, why lose a chance to build a pot with the absolute nuts, slowplaying just gives your hand away esp that river play

because you forfeit too much equity when nobody has anything to pay you off with. the river play would obviously be really bad against a decent player, but capaneo knows that this player is a donk and will pay him off with top pair, J5, straight, clubs, AA, whatever

agaisnt a good player this hand is much more difficult to play, esp OOP

if this player is dumb enough to call that ridiculous river bet then hes dumb enough to get stacked whenever you bet

im with nomanirvana here, it would be fairly easy for agood player to read the slowplay and get out of it easily specially since they wont have money invsted.

betting this flop is good poker, fuck slowplaying, anyone can slowplay...if you bet this flop your hand is disguised

You bet because you (1) dont want your action killed (2) you want people calling bets thinking that you dont want them drawing to a straight or a flush when in fact you do

obviously, but capaneo had no way of knowing he had J5, you're thinkign very results oriented. imagine he had AQ or AK or K9 or AA or 56c, he is getting stacked on the river and you forfeit equity against AQ, AK, K9, and whatever ridiculous hands he's playing (K5s comes to mind) by betting the flop

imo, by betting the flop your hand is NOT disguised at all. you could easily make the argument, and i would agree, that by frontbetting say 777 on a QJ7 board, your set of 7's is very disguised, but on a JJT flop there is not much to represent other than a very big hand

The point is, you get the same result in this specific hand if you bet the flop, but you also commit drawers to the pot, and your action doesnt get killed when you are against a competent players

thats not results oriented at all

honestly, checking the flop is not horrible, but im much more inclined to bet because I think its way better, you should never be playing this hand the exact same way everytime though...its necessary to mix things up to an extent...but the turn and river play are ridiculous for sure

no, your action DOES get killed against competent players because only 2 clubs, KQ, 89, or the fourth jack are calling you. there are 12 overcards in the deck that will undoubtedly help somebody and induce them to put money into the pot, yes if a red deuce comes on the turn you should bet, but against AJ there are very few cards that will kill your action (KJJT, AJ is still going to be losing a lot of money, probably not stacked but going to lose a lot). top boat is a pretty good hand to slowplay when the preflop raiser checks, you've been taught repeatedly that slowplaying is bad and that's because micro players are horrible and will call you down with anything and you'll get paid off, but there are many situations where slowplay is the best way to acquire chips and is ultimately +EV compared to betting the flop when nobody has anything.

considering you have position on the preflop raiser (and can increase the pot size on the turn if he checked AJ or TT), checking the flop is optimal, because not only will you stack him usually if he DID check a strong hand, but when he checks a gutshot you give him a chance to hit an overcard or his straight, whereas he probably would not call a bet even with a gutshot and 2 overs on a paired board (with an FD).

heh, preflop MINraiser...theres a big difference

id personally make a small bet and probably check turn

betting the flop is just to take control and start building a big pot ASAP, if you get any action at all on the flop and play the rest of the hand well you will stack alot of hands, I think betting the flop opens up more deceptive opportunities for the turn/river

"betting this flop is good poker"

such a confident statement for such a low stakes player.