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Submitted by : iFear.ChaoS

PokerStars Game #3554392370: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/01/06 - 20:51:16 (ET)
Table 'Vienna III' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: QMCertain ($22.20 in chips)
Seat 2: ysook ($7.15 in chips)
Seat 4: hagelnut ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 5: iFear.ChaoS ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 2huntall ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 7: LN8268 ($19 in chips)
Seat 8: Arkie7 ($15.70 in chips)
Seat 9: rekel23 ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Kasper99 ($12.95 in chips)
rekel23: posts small blind $0.10
Kasper99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iFear.ChaoS 9dTd]
QMCertain: folds
ysook: raises $0.25 to $0.50
hagelnut: folds
iFear.ChaoS: calls $0.50
2huntall: calls $0.50
LN8268: folds
Arkie7: folds
rekel23: folds
Kasper99: folds
*** FLOP *** 8h8d9s]
ysook: checks
iFear.ChaoS: bets $0.25
2huntall: calls $0.25
ysook: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** 8h8d9s5c]
ysook: checks
iFear.ChaoS: bets $0.50
2huntall: calls $0.50
ysook: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** 8h8d9s5cQd]
ysook: checks
iFear.ChaoS: bets $0.50
2huntall: folds
ysook: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iFear.ChaoS: shows 9dTd] (two pair, Nines and Eights)
ysook: mucks hand
iFear.ChaoS collected $4.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.10 | Rake $0.20
Board 8h8d9s5cQd]
Seat 1: QMCertain folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ysook mucked AhKh]
Seat 4: hagelnut folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: iFear.ChaoS showed 9dTd] and won ($4.90) with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 6: 2huntall folded on the River
Seat 7: LN8268 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Arkie7 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rekel23 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: Kasper99 (big blind) folded before Flop

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iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 18:52. Posts 267

Same table I thought I would get rivered here but didn't thank goodness. Let me know if im spamming the hands list and ill stop posting. Thanks guys.

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Muhweli   Finland. Jan 06 2006 18:58. Posts 10663

I guess that's okay, he didn't reraise you at any point so pushing it all the way ain't bad. Again, like in the 66 hand, the preflop call is iffy. This is the kinda hand you want to play from late position with 3+ limpers in front. Not to call a raise with it. when there's nobody else in the pot. It'll very quickly stack up and end up costing a lot, but in multiway pots, it can make powerful hands often enough for the MASS of people to build the pot enough to make it profitable plus it makes the hands that can beat a bunch of people while hands such as your opponents (AK, also AA, KK) work better against a lone opponent as there's less chance of outdrawal.

I might check the river behind though. He could easily have 9 with better kicker, Q or even a poorly played 8. Maybe he has an overpair and got scared.

I love how people overplay AK though, even if that's one of the only kind of flops where AK is ever any good unimproved (well paired and not too high cards, only better would be lower cards and paired).

Hmnm. I won't start counting the EV for this one, but I think you should get out preflop.

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iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 19:02. Posts 267

Alright, like the advice before very good points. Maybe you'll start to notice some improvement as far as the wisdom of my decisions in some of my later hand posts. Thanks again!


iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 19:03. Posts 267

Oh and on a little side note do you call A/# K/# suited? Also if you do in what positions? Thanks man.


iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 19:06. Posts 267

Another thing that im curious about is whether you guys think its worth it for me to try learning NL now, or to attempt to "master" Limit a bit more before I even try transitioning because it seems that the majority of you think that NL is superior apparently. I was just wondering what your take on this was. =P Sorry for the mass posts.


Muhweli   Finland. Jan 06 2006 19:08. Posts 10663

Kxs needs to have pretty many callers and no raisers in front of you. I think it's a lot about how you feel about your postflop play but these hands aren't really good unless they hit a flush(draw) or two pair since kicker often becomes an issue if you do flop a top pair or such.

Axs is something i'd usually play from late pos or late mid pos if there are 3+ or so callers before me. Typically you want to play very tight from early position (3 first spots), loosen up slightly for the midpos (next three) and a even more for the late pos (cutout and button). Early position, hands like ATo and KJo are quite easy folds.

I'd never call a raise in these games with Axs, unless the raise had been called by several people (like uhm, 4+, dunno. Don't take these as a fact).

You should really get Sklansky's Small Stakes Hold'em. Best book for limit games, especially full ring. I think small stakes go up to what? $5/$10?

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iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 19:14. Posts 267

There is an array of limit games on pokerstars.. I don't know exactly what you mean by small stakes exactly, but the limits go from .02/.04 to $100/$200 and more or less everything in between.


iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 19:15. Posts 267

If you go in with Q/K off suit then you get raised on later do you stay in the game 100% of the time? I did and it seems to be working out this time, but i was just wondering what you guys think.


Muhweli   Finland. Jan 06 2006 19:16. Posts 10663

Oh and I played limit for the first 4.5 months of my 6.5 month poker "career". I think it's great way to start and learn the basic game mechanics. Moving to NL will be a big step too (I'm on that road at the moment as I haven't complitely made the transition yet - ie. I think I'm better at limit than I Am at NL, but I enjoy the latter more for reasons that'll be mentioned later in my awfully long post, yet to come) and it'll take some time. Limit is a lot cheaper way to learn how the constant outdrawals feel and also get the feel for how hands work. When you learn one form of poker, you gain something for all I think. Also Limit Hold'em is also Hold'em, it's a bit different but you get the idea.

In No Limit, you get a bit more control over what your opponents do as your betting isn't limited. However, for inexperienced player, this can easily cost a lot in the beginning. Limit is definitely a good way to make money at poker, the reason why so many people prefer no limit is because at the very lowest stakes, you just have the opportunity to punish your fish opponents more than you can in limit. On the higher limits where there are less fish to feed upon, the difference between limit and No limit as a moneymaking game shrinks. At least this is how I view it. I think I'll probably start playing some limit too again once I reach a bit higher roll playing NL.

Aaanyway, everyone does it in their own way, but limit is also a good way to build a roll for starting NL. You will also feel the wrath of the downswings more hardly as the chasers always go with you to the river (and thus by going there more often, bad beat you more often). This persistence is very good for when you move to NL, you won't feel so bad after a few beats since you've gotten used to getting plenty in limit.

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Muhweli   Finland. Jan 06 2006 19:20. Posts 10663

KQ offsuit, I think if you have called preflop, you can call one raise with any hand since you're already invested in the pot and you're getting great odds to call the bet. I'm not actually sure which is the correct way to play KQ from EP, but if you're first in late pos or late mid pos, I'd open raise with it. Anyway, if you have limped with it and someone raises after you and it is NOT reraised. By all means call the bet since even against lone opponent, there's at the worst case scenario 3 bets in the pot, giving you 3-to-1 to call the bet. Usually the odds are better than this though.

Just remember that cold calling is very often a mistake, pretty much with any hand. Rather reraise or fold. KQ is still behind against any pair or even Ax, so it's probably not worth coldcalling unless you're getting good odds (many people have called the raise cold). It'll just often get you to trouble against AK/AQ.

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iFear.ChaoS   United States. Jan 06 2006 19:22. Posts 267

Yea thats what I thought, Limit = less expensive way to learn the game and try to really get a better understanding and a better bankroll before I gave NL a shot. Also I posted the K/Q hand that I just played out to help you answer my previous question if you care to.

Thanks so much for your responses, I think they're really helping me out.

By the way I can't really post this much effectively with this flood warning thing going on. Sorry for the later responses.


Muhweli   Finland. Jan 06 2006 19:26. Posts 10663

Glad I could help. Going to grab some sleep now ;D

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