Cutsss said, "cant believe u call the turn"

Cutsss: calls $132.85

theres your answer

Zoksta: all i can say is
Zoksta: pass the sugaf
Zoksta: sugar
Cutsss: lol
Cutsss: u have no sugar
Cutsss: in fact
Cutsss: u lost on this hand
Cutsss: everytime u call the turn
Cutsss: i win money and u loose money
Cutsss: no matter what the river is
Dealer: hydronman has a pair of Queens
Dealer: Game #5513345814: hydronman wins pot ($155) with a pair of Queens
Zoksta: who won the hand
Cutsss: me
Cutsss: i dont talk to retards
Dealer: Game #5513351229: nico7777 wins pot ($9.50)
Cutsss: but stay in the game
Cutsss: u make it juicy

You are wrong, yeah he loses money and you gain when he calls the turn. However, by calling the river you fuck up your EV massively. Easy fold.

On July 10 2006 08:18 nomanirvana wrote: You are wrong, yeah he loses money and you gain when he calls the turn. However, by calling the river you fuck up your EV massively. Easy fold.

that's right. By calling his river bet, you make his play almost correct

u have to understand sometimes u have to call some scary board if u dont want to keep being bluffed

yea sometimes, but do you know that this player is really thinking that deeply? Looks like a super easy fold to me. 3-way on the flop someone is bound to have a flushdraw and hes check/calling oop then pushes when the river shows a spade. His push comes out to like only half the pot...sure it could be a bluff but this is a flush the vast majority of the time I think.

i had really zero read before the hand... he can push AQ here too

i can imagine him doing it with JJ too

It doesnt matter if he could do it with JJ or AQ, it only matters if this is a bluff often enough to make that a profitable call. Based on the information given I doubt it is, but I dont play 400nl.

i dont know him but a decent player would never call the turn with a flushdraw so I decided to call because that was strange

His ace is good too, thats 12 outs. But even w/flushdraw theres nothing wrong with his turn call if he thinks you will call a river push...

it's people like you who enlighten fish

stop it, jerk, you're killing everyone's profits

hes getting over 3:1
should call here, as he said, because guy doesnt have the flush always and because you cant allow yourself to get run over by less than half potsize bets

"Cutsss: i dont talk to retards"

also, calling the turn is a big error by him
if you add in the 132, hes getting 320:85, which STILL isnt enough for a flush draw
adding the fact that the board is paired and he might be drawing dead to QQ
AND HES OUT OF POSITION
its a really bad call nomani

On July 10 2006 08:06 Cutsss wrote: Zoksta: all i can say is Zoksta: pass the sugaf Zoksta: sugar

Ship it.

but yeah, not much discussion here, dont tell fish to not call without odds

Im not saying its a GOOD turn call by him, but why call the river to pay him off? All Im saying is it undermines the turn play. I really cant imagine this being a bluff any significant percentage of the time unless you have a specific read on the player.

i didnt like the "pass the sugar" lol

because I have 130 to call in a 400$ pot
Assuming he called the turn without perfect odds, I can really put him on something like AQ JJ (JJ would stay here flop & turn because im playing really loose in that position) trying to use the river card as a scare card for me.

but i dont say im 100% right thats an even shot for him and me If I call the river bet, thats also for image... so they wont try to bluff me too much