nh

just one pointer about this hand, i think u really gotta raise this flop. it sucks to scare off potential fish by raising, but its for the best not cos u want to protect ur nuts, but because 1) if a spade hits turn then u will scare off 2pairs/sets, so you want to raise here and give them an opportunity to shove or call with more money in while board isnt too scary, and 2) if someone has a spade you want to charge them max to hit that spade. also straight draws possibly

this river is a pretty tough spot though... just put him on a range and if you think u beat it, shove (jk obviously)

nh!

wouldnt flop call be better here lach? its a multi way pot. after calling putting in the flop 3bet is super strong and id assume most 2 pairs would just give up. its full ring they are a bunch of nits. but then again i dont know how to play fullring

On August 19 2008 13:41 lachlan wrote: nh just one pointer about this hand, i think u really gotta raise this flop. it sucks to scare off potential fish by raising, but its for the best not cos u want to protect ur nuts, but because 1) if a spade hits turn then u will scare off 2pairs/sets, so you want to raise here and give them an opportunity to shove or call with more money in while board isnt too scary, and 2) if someone has a spade you want to charge them max to hit that spade. also straight draws possibly this river is a pretty tough spot though... just put him on a range and if you think u beat it, shove (jk obviously)

I really think a flat is best here.

haha fr is just poker with supertight early position, so the UTG raiser here is possibly QQ+ AK+ since he raised 6bb, i'd just assume hes pretty strong.

i dunno i dont think theres a right or wrong way to play it but i'd personally raise cos that way we can:

1) stack anyone who flopped a lower flush (unlikely but possible, and if 4th spade hits then that will kill any action)
2) get value from any donks drawing to a flush (maybe not so great here since we have A and K lol... so yeah that is kinda redundant here lol)
3) give flopped sets a chance to shove this flop (cos if a 4th spade comes, once again they will usually shut down)
4) maybe get some calls from open ended straight draws like QK and 89
5) the UTG raiser probably has a big pair here, want to get money in before a dreaded spade hits just like sets
5) builds pot, much higher chance of stacking someone for a full buyin

pros for calling would be

1) strength of our hand is hidden
2) can get some more bets from both guys

but much less chance of winning a whole buyin.

in hindsight i think flat calling is fine just as long as u can pray to the poker gods for a spade not to hit =)

ok hold on... i take all of what i said back and flatting here is a slam dunk must :D i just talked it over

haha ty everyone