standard?

no you've heavily overvalued your draw in a multiway pot on a paired board.

its not omaha so these hands have some value but not stacking off value.

Think of the equity a hand like KJ AJ JT have against you in comparison to a hand like KJ on a J74ss board. not only are they drawing to fill up but also your overs aren't at all live.

Equally you can be drawing dead to a boat or 4 of a kind.

riverse implied odds ~~~~~~~~~.

no you've heavily overvalued your draw in a multiway pot on a paired board.

its not omaha so these hands have some value but not stacking off value.

Think of the equity a hand like KJ AJ JT have against you in comparison to a hand like KJ on a J74ss board. not only are they drawing to fill up but also your overs aren't at all live.

Equally you can be drawing dead to a boat or 4 of a kind.

riverse implied odds ~~~~~~~~~.

Wow just re-read the hand history, well yeah obv you have to stack off on the turn I Suppose cos of the jacks he might have, but you should've been more weary on the flop and not wanted to immediately play for stacks with this hand on this board in a multiway pot like this.

i think calling or folding on the flop is the correct play, theres a good chance someone has a jack and your equity is just so small against that with the money already invested that it just does not make sense to want to felt this hand here. (I keep posting because I Don't feel like I'm making any sense, am I making sense?)

- and obv when someones got the 55 (which is gonna happen some %age of the time cos theres a 5 way pot with 3 people possibly holding pocket pairs) you're drawing completely dead and that lowers your overall equity quite substantially.

yeh i thought on the turn i obv have to stack off, but i guess i shouldnt be raising on the flop

perhaps if it was 100bb deep, is it far more standard to raise/get it in on this flop? but cos im so deep, i shouldnt really be playing it this fast, especially multiway

ergh i always lose shitloads of money in deep pots

Thanks for the advice though! much appreciated

well not 'so' deep but deeper enough to warrant extra caution..

well the thing is on a 3 random card board against aggressive/shite players the equity of your hand is quite good assuming a good %age of the time they're gonna have hands like KT on Txx ss boards and you're gonna infact be a favourite against them with the extra value laid in by the pot and the possible fold equity. However your drawing hands like that also play better when it goes bet - 3 bet allin by you as opposed to your opponent. Also they can be holding hands like KJs K8s Q9s (well not in this example cos u have AQs but you know what I mean) which you are a huge favourite against.

So to sum up the strength of your play is in -

1)Fold Equity + money already in the pot
- In your hand you don't have a huge amount of fold equity because if someone has a jack they're felting it almost always, but the times it is folded to you, you pick up like $68, but I think you have to assume a good %age of the time the leader (most likely) or someone will have something they're playing against.

2) your hands equity when called

well in this spot when you're called you're basically always behind and you're being called alot of the time. And no you're not "deep" but it definately warrents extra calculation, because the fold equity + money in the pot is alot less in comparison to your stack size. I mean I don't think this is the right play if its 100 bb but because its more it makes it worse.

Basically what it boils down to is the flop texture is so bad for your hand against your opponents calling range, you're either generally winning a small pot or getting in as a huge dog (and osmetimes drawing dead as in this case) Whereas in general the strength in the overs and the flush draw is in the fact that sometimes you're a substantial favourite against smaller flush draws (Which aren't getting involved here I assume) and lower 1 pair hands,(which also aren't getting involved here we can assume) and the fold equity which I don't know how big it is in this pot to be honest because I don't know the players and their ranges but I would imagine its not sufficiently high enouch.