obv shove,if he has overset fuck it,he'll play overpair same way.

i like calling and leading the turn weak

On September 28 2008 22:35 KeanuReaver wrote: i like calling and leading the turn weak

thats homo but not bad,since not too many shitty turn cards can come.

im not afraid of running into a better hand here. i actually expect to find him with AA/KK most of the time or air. im asking if its safe to see a turn card as i think shoving shows alot of strength possibly getting him to fold out other hands like QQ/JJ/88 that he might otherwise have...and if i call there is a possibility of getting him to continue bluffing with air if he has it...as it is, i did shove and he folded and id like to get opinions...guy was running at 30/2 but that was only for 30 hands or so, so it dont mean that much

CiB

nah obviously we're stacking off with this hand
and his line suggests he's not on a draw
in other words, without knowing his hand, a bad turn card really doesn't exist for us and we don't need to get all the money in on the flop anyway.
give him a chance to catch up with overs or maybe to catch 2pair while taking a line that isn't near as strong as a 4bet shove on a relatively dry flop.

yeah cib is good too

then i like shoving the most cuz if hes playing 30/2 by being aggressive he'll become more agressive and eventually stack off with weak top pair against u.

morons just get fed up.

metagame vs a fish that'll probably be leaving soon and may not ever play with you again? :[

they dont leave until they bust usually,and if they think you're pulling moves on them the higher the chances they'll bust against u

we're not trying to outplay villain here. hes a moron, were just trying to get money in the pot in the most effective way possible
his range is more leaned toward made hands, tp, overpairs rather than draws (draws dont usually min3bet)

so just click it back, he wont have the discipline or the knowledge that hes crushed (even though ur making it painfully obvious)

only thing about checking is were oop and he could easily check behind turn and that sucks since this board is already somewhat drawy and can become alot more drawy with 2 cards...example
turn a J, river 8 or Q or 7 or K

shoving might get him to lay down JTo...so i would refrain from that, just let him hang himself
shoving is not bad, but i dont think its optimal, i definitely click it back here (next option, i would have to say is call and lead like 2/5 pot on safe turns and 1/2 pot on scary turns (ie. J/7)

blah
just don't 4bet shove
it's not good, even fish have some hand reading ability and can probably figure out you're not on a pair of 9's

nah if you call you lead turn
call his cib, lead $45 on turn should set up a < 1/2 psb river push