i know i coulda raised flop here to protect from a draw / make my hand look like a draw but i thought a raise would look way too strong and i would probably even fold out AA since i dont ever do this as a bluff and Belok has played a gazillion hands of full ring so he would be, im assuming, smart enough to lay down an overpair here.

same thoughts on turn.

on river he timebanked for over 40 seconds and then called which made me think my assumption that he is more than capable of folding overpairs against a super strong set line.

this reasoning ok, or do u think i played this bad?

I would raise but only because I would do same with draws and air, so it's more for balance vs regs.
If he's that nitty.. (even though it's FR) bluff him in these spots all day imo

On October 26 2008 12:13 RainyDay wrote: I would raise but only because I would do same with draws and air, so it's more for balance vs regs. If he's that nitty.. (even though it's FR) bluff him in these spots all day imo

This, and if you don't get paid off fully when you hit a set vs his overpair you should def increase your aggression.

On October 26 2008 11:59 lachlan wrote: i know i coulda raised flop here to protect from a draw / make my hand look like a draw but i thought a raise would look way too strong and i would probably even fold out AA since i dont ever do this as a bluff and Belok has played a gazillion hands of full ring so he would be, im assuming, smart enough to lay down an overpair here. same thoughts on turn. on river he timebanked for over 40 seconds and then called which made me think my assumption that he is more than capable of folding overpairs against a super strong set line. this reasoning ok, or do u think i played this bad?

ur a nitking

i'd be more worred about a draw/scarecard hitting that would KILL all action

any J, A, heart = gg set that's gonna happen over 55% of the time by the rivver if you play your set like this, therefore most of the time your not gonna get a chance to bet the river which is the most valuable street, getting it in on flop is way +EV

besides the guy raised UTG - he has QQ+ a lot and hes not folding

On October 26 2008 12:23 TalentedTom wrote: besides the guy raised UTG - he has QQ+ a lot and hes not folding

its full ring there are enough regulars that do fold QQ+ on a flop like this vs two opponents who they know

still you should raise flop, and better include raising with your hit draws w SC as well

hehe, yea i dont really have anything to combat any nit insults

my standard is to raise flop but wanted to try something new

as i played it, i think my hand looks like either a jack or a missed flush draw, anyone think i should of shoved or potted rather than bet weak like i did?

On October 26 2008 12:38 Tycho wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2008 12:23 TalentedTom wrote: besides the guy raised UTG - he has QQ+ a lot and hes not folding its full ring there are enough regulars that do fold QQ+ on a flop like this vs two opponents who they know still you should raise flop, and better include raising with your hit draws w SC as well

yea exactly my thinking, and main reason i took this line is cos my calling range is like 90% small pairs and 10% other shit, i hardly ever flat suited connectors or anything else here. so i think i either have to start adding other shit into my range like u said suited connectors and semibluff my draws when i hit one exactly like a set, or just outright bluff more, or i wont get paid when i raise flops like this

suited connectors are so profitable on full ring vs people who have such polarized ranges (like yourself)

start flatting with 56s to JTs in pos (preferably BTN and CO & CO+1) and bring the noise

you'll find you'll get paid of more with your sets as well

be careful and don't overdo it, if you add suited gappers and call in MP when there are squueze happy people behind you it can get tough, but something tells me you'll be careful enough

oh and the nitking wasnt an insult: nits rule

haha cheers ill try adding more in next session ill play and see how it goes.

one question for you tho, would you rather be flatting these suited connectors against an opponent who has a very tight range (eg UTG raiser whos a nit) or against someone with a perceived looser range (more laggy reg's MP opening).

reason i ask is: against the utg nit, implied odds are off the roof but less likely to be able to bluff them off their hand if its mostly premiums.

against the looser guy u should be able to push him off his hand if u raise his cbet but ur going to flop way less compared to when he just cbets and takes down the pot and u wont get paid if u hit.

this is a pretty basic question lol but id be curious to see wat u think. i would go with utg raiser of course but i dont see it being too bad either to do vs ppl with probably wide ranges.

just do it against both, its +ev anyway if you don't overplay hit middle pairs etc

vs the ubernits sometimes its better to flat flop maybe get a free card on turn with a bare draw

with combodraws (like oesd + fd) it's just raise raise raise