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Handnr: 558808
Submitted by : remember87

Full Tilt Poker Game #8758417264: Table Park Vista (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:37:45 ET - 2008/11/01
Seat 1: Good_Win_35 ($80)
Seat 2: Hero ($209)
Seat 3: oyvind10 ($285.20)
Seat 4: cardman72 ($220.95)
Seat 5: Amarillos Risk ($200)
Seat 6: Loesje82 ($447.65)
oyvind10 posts the small blind of $1
cardman72 posts the big blind of $2
Good_Win_35 posts $2
The button is in seat #2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero 7d8d
Amarillos Risk raises to $10
Loesje82 calls $10
Good_Win_35 folds
Hero calls $10
oyvind10 calls $9
cardman72 calls $8

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $50.00)

   Kd6dTs
oyvind10 checks
cardman72 checks
Amarillos Risk has 15 seconds left to act
Amarillos Risk bets $35
Loesje82 calls $35
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero adds $1
Hero folds
oyvind10 has 15 seconds left to act
oyvind10 raises to $94
cardman72 folds
Amarillos Risk has 15 seconds left to act
Amarillos Risk has requested TIME
Amarillos Risk raises to $190, and is all in
Loesje82 folds
oyvind10 calls $96
Amarillos Risk shows AdAc
oyvind10 shows TdTh

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $465.00)

   Kd6dTs2d

River (Pot : $465.00)

   Kd6dTs2dJh
Amarillos Risk shows a pair of Aces
oyvind10 shows three of a kind, Tens
oyvind10 wins the pot ($464) with three of a kind, Tens
Amarillos Risk adds $200

Summary
Total pot $467 | Rake $3
Board:  Kd6dTs2dJh
Seat 1: Good_Win_35 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Hero (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: oyvind10 (small blind) showed TdTh and won ($464) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 4: cardman72 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Amarillos Risk showed AdAc and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Loesje82 folded on the Flop

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remember87   Sweden. Nov 01 2008 10:05. Posts 521

I know dusty wont like this (and I know I played it bad) but I still want some opinions on this hand.
Cardman was very loose so I knew I would get over 3:1 on my money pre so I think the call pre was ok. Since Amarillos also had a strong range I didnt want to get 4bet by him.
When the flop came I put Amarillos on AA, AK, KK.. Loesje82 instacalled and I cant see how his range cant be something else but KQ and a draw. If he has a flushdraw (and not a straightdraw) I am pretty crushed. I was also afraid of a C/R from the blinds if they had a strong hand.

I know I cant call pre and when I flop the draw I fold, but this was a very special situation. The only options here is AI or fold. Maybe I can get a fold from Loesje82 and then play the draw against Amarillos. With all the dead money in the pot I probably would have had odds for that.
(later with oyvind in the pot too I would definitively have had odds but I didnt know that then)

So... fold or raise?

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SpasticInk   Sweden. Nov 01 2008 10:26. Posts 6298

why not calling?


remember87   Sweden. Nov 01 2008 11:23. Posts 521

I dont want cardman in the pot. I cant see how that would be profitable. And if, like in this case, oyvind reraises and amarillos goes AI I have to call AI with a draw instead of having atleast some FE.
With this hugh pot, all the money will also go into the middle on the turn with a blank and I dont have odds to call to just see one card.
If I also am the only one with a diamond draw and the turn is a diamond AA/AK/KQ probably will shut down and wont give any more value. I dont think call would be +EV, but I might be wrong..

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remember87   Sweden. Nov 01 2008 12:00. Posts 521

I calculated some in pokerstove:
if I call, oyvind raises, amarillos goes AI and I have to call AI I will have about 23% equity.
If I go AI and only amarillos calls I´ll have about 43% equity.

However I am not shure how I shall calculate the fact that oyvind has a hand here if I go AI. Should I even take this into considoration or should I just focus on the players that have already bet?
If I should include oyvind, should I put in his range (the range that he can call my AI with) or should I put in his exact hand because I couldnt know that he would have a hand?
Against oyvinds and amarillos range I have about 27% equity + some FE against amarillos
against amarillos range and oyvinds hand I have 33% equity

If I should put in oyvinds callingrange into the equation it was a correct fold, if I should put in his hand (since I couldnt know he would have a hand) AI would have been better. And shouldnt I even take oyvind into the equation it was a very bad fold.
Ideas?

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter”Last edit: 01/11/2008 12:16

Shabbzoy   United Kingdom. Nov 01 2008 13:14. Posts 841

you need to think about how often the blinds will actually have a hand if you want to analyse it like that(seems like its gonna be a pretty small amount..?)

how does cardman being in the pot make it less profitable?
Not saying i disagree with this but im curious to your objection to the call


remember87   Sweden. Nov 02 2008 03:03. Posts 521

I can buy the blind-problem... So when I make my decision on the flop I shall only consider those who has only put money in the pot already?

Why I dont like call: cardmans range is a whole bunch of draws, and if we are up against a flushdraw we are pretty much drawing dead. So we want to get rid of him and the only way of doing that is to push. I also dont think we wil get paid of very much if the flush completes. I think call is -EV (or atleast the worst option). So either push or fold. I´ll go with pinballs option: AI

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