PokerStars Game #22226265364: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/11/21 2:27:24 ET
Table 'Oskar' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: kw-armaturen ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 2: FeARFaCT ($53.90 in chips)
Seat 3: rockman255 ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: smok!ng_Aces ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 5: K'zUpQ'zDoWn ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: Matia_10 ($78.25 in chips)
Seat 7: tae2718 ($48.40 in chips)
Seat 8: gollyg4me ($50 in chips)
Seat 9: helpmedie ($50 in chips)
helpmedie: posts small blind $0.25
kw-armaturen: posts big blind $0.50
Holecards
Dealt to rockman255
FeARFaCT: folds
rockman255 : raises $1.50 to $2
smok!ng_Aces: folds
K'zUpQ'zDoWn: folds
Matia_10: calls $2
tae2718: calls $2
gollyg4me: folds
helpmedie: folds
kw-armaturen: folds
Flop (Pot : $6.75)
rockman255 : bets $6
Matia_10: calls $6
tae2718: raises $14 to $20
rockman255 : folds
Matia_10: folds
Uncalled bet ($14) returned to tae2718
tae2718 collected $23.55 from pot
tae2718: doesn't show hand
Summary
Total pot $24.75 | Rake $1.20
Board
Seat 1: kw-armaturen (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: FeARFaCT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rockman255 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: smok!ng_Aces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: K'zUpQ'zDoWn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Matia_10 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: tae2718 collected ($23.55)
Seat 8: gollyg4me (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: helpmedie (small blind) folded before Flop
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Timonga   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:31. Posts 1074 | | |
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Timonga   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:32. Posts 1074 | | |
AI = All-in = shove that bitch |
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rockman255   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:35. Posts 4471 | | |
dude, theres a 90vpip sucky sucky in between us, so he doesnt bluff here, ever. he has 33, 99, (KK? not really) or a made flush.
hes also 10/7. |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:35. Posts 8947 | | |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:35. Posts 8947 | | |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:35. Posts 8947 | | |
For 1 bi, you shove this all day, everyday |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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rockman255   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:36. Posts 4471 | | |
neilly, read what i said please, and then respond
basically, since we're not all playing on 6max 1Knl, you dont see (this) player make this move with something like KxQd, or infact any sort of semibluff, this is 98% a solid hand that i am wb. |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | Last edit: 21/11/2008 02:37 |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:39. Posts 8947 | | |
i read it rockman, but the facts that i see are this
you have overpair that isn't defined yet
you have nut redraw vs sets and vs flushes
you dominate any king
you get information on your opponent to properly play this against him next time
its not a bad fold, if i were 150bb deep or more i'd contemplate a fold much more often than here though |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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traxamillion   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:41. Posts 10468 | | |
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rockman255   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:43. Posts 4471 | | |
ok i play like shit all day, blow my cock, i am the worst poker player ever, and i acknowledge it, and i even went on sick tilt today, but i had $42 behind me and i was like 35%ev in this pot |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | |
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traxamillion   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:43. Posts 10468 | | |
i mean fuck if you really think you have to fold this start playing shorthanded poker |
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rockman255   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:45. Posts 4471 | | |
why do i shove this, explain to me why, in better words than neillys, because all i got out of his was that i dominate a king. |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | |
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rockman255   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:45. Posts 4471 | | |
im just about ready to go jump off a building btw, so. yeah |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | |
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handbanana21   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:45. Posts 3037 | | |
good fold rockman. Constantly getting in as a 35%-40% dog is what keep players from moving up. |
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lostaccount   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:47. Posts 6258 | | |
its close i dont think either shoving or folding is that bad. Its just a margianl decision in the end. myslef i would have shove because i like to suckout |
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Tian xia tai ping, Paradise on earth as in heaven la belle vie | |
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lostaccount   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:48. Posts 6258 | | |
you shove beacuse you are oop |
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Tian xia tai ping, Paradise on earth as in heaven la belle vie | |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:49. Posts 8947 | | |
the main thing is, you have no clue what he has, your assuming a set which is highly unlikely, a flush is possible, and a NL50 player overplaying KQ or KJ with a d is highly likely imo |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:50. Posts 8947 | | |
by making the call that we might be ahead, might be behind, we have a good chance to win, but most of all, we get information to play vs him correctly in the future |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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traxamillion   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:51. Posts 10468 | | |
rockman its not as bad as i made it sound; it is fr at 2nd glance |
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handbanana21   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:54. Posts 3037 | | |
gotta understand how nitty FR is. Its a clear set or flopped flush by the squeezor. We only have 8 dollars invested. We dont have the proper odds to attempt to suckout. just pitch it and move on |
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edzwoo   United States. Nov 21 2008 02:55. Posts 5911 | | |
| On November 21 2008 01:49 NeillyJQ wrote:
the main thing is, you have no clue what he has, your assuming a set which is highly unlikely, a flush is possible, and a NL50 player overplaying KQ or KJ with a d is highly likely imo |
No actually a set is extremely likely here. He is a nit and he called pre, and then he made a big reraise on a monotone flop. Nits don't call with KQo ever here.
Having said that, I like shoving because I like to gamble in these spots, but this looks like a good fold to me. |
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lostaccount   Canada. Nov 21 2008 03:02. Posts 6258 | | |
you will need to put in another 40$ into a 106$ which is 37%. You have around ~33% ev so you are behind a little but you do have a small Fold equity. ITs close guys. SHOVING OR FOLDING IS FINE |
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Tian xia tai ping, Paradise on earth as in heaven la belle vie | |
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sirracksalot   United States. Nov 22 2008 15:01. Posts 2299 | | |
| On November 21 2008 01:47 lostaccount wrote:
its close i dont think either shoving or folding is that bad. Its just a margianl decision in the end. myslef i would have shove because i like to suckout |
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VENOM   United States. Nov 22 2008 15:26. Posts 1383 | | |
Ez fold if your not in the mood to gamble (as an underdog).
Tae (solid nit running 10/7) has either a flush or a set.
Don't worry Rockman I often find SH players advice on FR play pretty flawed iMO. They fail to realize the pure nittiness of the game. |
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daylight keeps the shadows falling behind - Kenna / YadadaMeEn21 | |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 22 2008 15:53. Posts 8947 | | |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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