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Submitted by : remember87

Full Tilt Poker Game #12870715871: Table Vista (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:44 ET - 2009/06/17
Seat 1: Hero ($383.10)
Seat 2: lleytonrc ($289.55)
Seat 3: TUCCI007 ($129.65)
Seat 4: PokerVeteran81 ($309.15)
Seat 5: xHustler10x ($335)
Seat 6: PsYcOsNiP3R ($203)
lleytonrc posts the small blind of $1
TUCCI007 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to HeroQsQd
PokerVeteran81 folds
xHustler10x folds
PsYcOsNiP3R raises to $7
Hero calls $7
lleytonrc folds
TUCCI007 folds

Flop (Pot : $17.00)

   9s8h6h
PsYcOsNiP3R bets $12
Hero calls $12

Turn (Pot : $41.00)

   9s8h6h3h
PsYcOsNiP3R checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $26
PsYcOsNiP3R calls $26

River (Pot : $93.00)

   9s8h6h3h3c
PsYcOsNiP3R checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $58
PsYcOsNiP3R calls $58

Showdown
Hero showsQsQd two pair, Queens and Threes
PsYcOsNiP3R mucks
Hero wins the pot ($206) with two pair, Queens and Threes
PsYcOsNiP3R adds $100

Summary
Total pot $209 | Rake $3
Board:9s8h6h3h3c
Seat 1: Hero (button) showedQsQd and won ($206) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 2: lleytonrc (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: TUCCI007 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: PokerVeteran81 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: xHustler10x didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: PsYcOsNiP3R muckedTdTs - two pair, Tens and Threes
should I try and go for the whole stack here? dont know anything about FI..
I called so the fish in the BB would call and stack off 100% of the time..
never taken this line before..

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rednalluk   Sweden. Jun 18 2009 05:16. Posts 626

Do you really want one more in the pot? Or is BB a squeese monkey? I really only like a flat if you feel like SB/BB will squeese, otherwise i think you need to 3bet this.
On flop a raise would be nice to see. You have alot of pairs+gutters/FDs, but he also has that which means you need to protect yourself. Also, against TT/JJ alot of cards may kill your action.
On the river I'd rather bet 68ish. I think you miss some value here, because the hands that will call you wont be discouraged by an extra 10-14$.

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remember87   Sweden. Jun 18 2009 10:13. Posts 521

BB didnt squeeze much but when he hit a pair he easily stacked off.. (I flat QQ maybe 1/1000 times, I always 3b in this spot (Im on the button!) but it seemed like the perfect spot to mix it up, FI also had folded alot to 3b so I didnt think he would stack off easily pre)

On the flop, what do you mean with "I have alot of pairs+gutters/FDs"? In my range yes but if I rep that, it would turn my hand into a bluff (almost). I think FI had been pretty aggressive so if I raise him here, I would be 3b by alot of pairs+gutters, gutshots+FD, all twopair/set, and rarely get it in versus A9/TT/JJ thats the hands I want value from.
Since I only called pre too, I raise here would also almost overrep my hand, saying I hit the flop, and therefor I wouldnt get paid of by A9 etc if a heart comes etc.
I am not so shure there is much value in raising here. The times he has a hand like A9/JJ/TT I think I get more value by just calling (and getting 3 streets of value), and I dont think I am ahead against FI range if we get it AI on the flop. Also, if we raise we are scared of almost half the deck since he only calls with hands that has value. If we call, he has a much wider range and many of the cards are not that scary anymore (like 3h).

whats your plan if you raise here? what do you do if he 3b? what do you do if he B/C flop and on the turn a heart/5-T comes? what cards do you bet again on turn? what hands do you want value from and what hands stack of when we are ahead?


River is the perfect card, and as you say I should have bet more (in the after analysis). Why I bet so small was I didnt put him on a strong hand at all. I actually was surprised to see that he had TT, my bet was designed to get called by K9 etc. As I said before, he had been pretty aggressive, but this hand he played so passively and it felt like he had given up at the river. If he has JJ/TT its not likely he will fold to any normal bet (almost up to 80), but if he has A9/K9 a big bet would almost make it into a bluffcatcher and I didnt want that. But ofc, I should have bet a little bit bigger..

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

rednalluk   Sweden. Jun 18 2009 11:06. Posts 626

Im thinking more like, do you want potentially two more people in the pot? Even if he doesnt defend all that much, if you dont have squeesers in the blinds all that will happen is that you will end upp guessing alot on the flop due to it being 3-4handed. And since you're on the button it usually indicates a wide 3b-range ---> he should be more willing to defend/4b.
What I was going for on the flop is that alot of cards will make this hand troublesome to play, but you're right when you say that you almost overrep your hand (i think) due to the texture but if Villain likes to 3b on flop i still think its nice with a raise. Hmm, or you dont. I cant decide. :D

"whats your plan if you raise here? what do you do if he 3b? what do you do if he B/C flop and on the turn a heart/5-T comes? what cards do you bet again on turn? what hands do you want value from and what hands stack of when we are ahead?"

What if he barreled again on the turn? I think you can get into alot of trouble here by just calling, and then calling the turn hoping he will eventually shut down.
And TT should be stacking of tons of times on that flop imo.


remember87   Sweden. Jun 18 2009 13:05. Posts 521

I agree 3b QQ on the button is waaay more profitable then calling, this is alsmost the first time I have done it.. all I said was that if I should call, this is a good spot for it since I wanted BB to come into the pot (even if it became 3handed), because he was such a payoffwizard. If I 3b he would be shut out. And I didnt want that.

if the turn was a blank (like 3c) and he barreled again I would raise big/go AI, if it was, like now, 3h I would just call again (for value, and reevaluate river).. I am not that scared of giving him a "freecard" since I have good reads on him... the worst card in the deck would be a T, 9, 7 or a 5 (and the 2 cards that help him is in there) so if they came out I could easily fold..

In this hand I just wanted safe value, and not go into any guessing mode if I had 50% equity or 10%. If I had 3b pre I would get it in easily on this flop, but I dont have that strong a hand in a small pot and its vulnerable. So the two options is to slowplay it (and be ready to fold if the board gets really scary) or try to get it in (and not know if your way behind). I dont dislike my play here. I get a lot of value from the hands that I beat, and I loose minimum against the hands that beat me.
another thing is that I didnt play it aggressive enough (should have gotten 20$ more out of him) but thats not the discussion now..

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

 

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