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Submitted by : remember87

Full Tilt Poker Game #14384298127: Table Marion (6 max, deep) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:11:12 ET - 2009/08/31
Seat 1: steel61 ($785.10)
Seat 2: beto marcico ($175.65)
Seat 3: P-MAN1234 ($1,048.40)
Seat 4: Hero ($600)
Seat 5: CuteLittleBunny ($592.50)
Seat 6: Cathy Johansson ($1,360.80)
P-MAN1234 posts the small blind of $2
Hero posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2

Holecards
Dealt to HeroJcJs
CuteLittleBunny folds
Cathy Johansson folds
steel61 raises to $14
beto marcico folds
P-MAN1234 folds
Hero calls $10

Flop (Pot : $30.00)

   4d4s4c
Hero checks
steel61 bets $20
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $64
steel61 has 15 seconds left to act
steel61 raises to $156
Hero ? its too light to get it in.. we dont have any history that should make him do this too light. IF I call, whats my plan for later streets?

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remember87   Sweden. Aug 31 2009 08:48. Posts 521

I should add that I think fold is the best, and a better way to play the hand might be to B/F, C/C, C/C.. or just C/C all 3 streets.. what do you think?

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Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

Oxy   Canada. Aug 31 2009 08:58. Posts 2293

how about reraising preflop? if you think their calling ranges make it unprofitable you have an image problem

but anyway I don't understand what you're doing. pf you don't reraise because presumably you think you can profit from villain's garbage hands by playing fancy guessing games OOP and giving him a cheap price to hit?

flop you put him on 22+ 87s+ 98o+ and tighter? So you check/raise and let all those hands fold. so now he repops you and suddenly his range has gone to TT+ and you beat basically nothing by pushing and have to fold to bluffs (note you didn't RR pf, he doesn't know you have jacks).

a better idea would have been to think of the hands you can get money from, and that's probably just by betting and calling raises. it's much easier to raise than to 4bet.

but then this wouldn't happen if you rr preflop.

this shit is OBSURDLast edit: 31/08/2009 09:04

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Aug 31 2009 09:09. Posts 8623

yea rr pre, as played I don't see why you raises really unless you bluffraise these boards a ton or he loves to float flop raises even more then me. Raise/folding JJ here is so bad/weird/makes no sense that you just can't do it though. So either raise/get it in or c/c. Donking seems superwierd and unless you've got reason to believe that villian will level himself into oblivion I think c/c all the way bet river if turn is checked on like anyish card is best. Could raise if he has like 85%+ cbet though, but then you should raise like 110% of your range, lol.


rednalluk   Sweden. Aug 31 2009 09:13. Posts 626

No offence, but why on earth would you want to reraise there without history and then be inclined to fold when facing a 3bet? I also think that its a 3B pre, you need your JJ in that range imo. Also, b/f on this flop would be insanely weird.
Finally, if I were villain I'd look at your raise and think "wow, this dude is repping 0 stong hands and he is probably just full of shit". And if he isnt a completely nonthinking player he'll call there with alot of stuff that beats you. ---> Your hand is underrepped+your range is full of shit, and he is calling with some hands that beats you.
Looks like a classic move that I usually make, you've leveled yourself into a call/going allin. So do it. :D

 Last edit: 31/08/2009 09:16

remember87   Sweden. Aug 31 2009 09:19. Posts 521

I agree with like all of you have said.. I played it so bad that I like stopped playing and went to bed for like 15 minutes I didnt play one hand well or hit one hand in the entire short session I played.. will take a shover, take a walk and then analyse this and more hands for a while... I think I woke up on the wrong side

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

rednalluk   Sweden. Aug 31 2009 10:38. Posts 626

Wow, I really wish I could do that. Most times when I do a thing like this is get mad and continue playing.
I'll call you later today, would like to watch you playing or for you to watch me play (if you have time):


remember87   Sweden. Aug 31 2009 20:30. Posts 521

shure.. we´ll do something like that.. am pretty free on wednesday..

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

 

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