Submitted by : Cutsss

PokerStars Game #3773742813: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/01/27 - 16:02:26 (ET)
Table 'Stentor II' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Cutsss ($73.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Duke Charles ($57.85 in chips)
Seat 3: rawdawgzade ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Bouleau ($52.55 in chips)
Seat 5: J_Nels ($9 in chips)
Seat 6: btk11085 ($64 in chips)
Seat 7: rasko1971 ($27.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Krav_Maga1 ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 9: stifler667 ($50 in chips)
rasko1971: posts small blind $0.25
Krav_Maga1: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cutsss ]
stifler667: folds
Cutsss: calls $0.50
Duke Charles: folds
rawdawgzade: raises $2 to $2.50
Bouleau: folds
J_Nels: folds
btk11085: folds
rasko1971: folds
Krav_Maga1: folds
Cutsss: calls $2
*** FLOP *** ]
Cutsss: checks
rawdawgzade: bets $4
Cutsss: raises $6 to $10
rawdawgzade: raises $6 to $16
Cutsss: calls $6
*** TURN *** ]
Cutsss: checks
rawdawgzade: bets $30.75 and is all-in
Cutsss said, "omg"
Cutsss said, "AA ?"
Cutsss said, "i have tens"
Cutsss: folds
rawdawgzade collected $35.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.75 | Rake $1.85
Board ]
Seat 1: Cutsss folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Duke Charles folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rawdawgzade collected ($35.90)
Seat 4: Bouleau folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: J_Nels folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: btk11085 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rasko1971 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Krav_Maga1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: stifler667 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

rawdawgzade: how did u not call that lol
rawdawgzade: v good fold
Dealer: Game #3773757091: btk11085 wins pot ($6.70)
Cutsss: u turned ur ace right ?
rawdawgzade: had aa

you believe in santa too?

?? what does that mean?

it means he thinks the other dude was lying

i dont think, i know he's tight, that's why I just called and not rereraised hoping for him to move on the turn

hrm. Why didn't you just push the flop? Any resistance like that on the flop and i'll just get all my money in (especially with the nuts). Because he's obviously telling you he's gonna go all the way with that hand.

he wants fold equity with the nuts. lol

because he wouldnt call a push, I just called to show weakness

mm his push doesn't make much sense..

Push on flop always.

does someone try to understand me ? or i'm just alone in my world

I call that real real fast

i know what you mean cutss, but these guys must have a good reason to disagree :/

yes, they always push when they have a set and sometimes they get called. I just try to adjust my play to the players and here, as I know he's tight I tried to trap him by just calling to show weakness. That was just to maximise profits against a tight player who would fold a push here.

but I must believe in santa claus and made a stupid fold against A4o

Cuts, if he had AA he would most definately call you on the flop. Maybe even QQ could call you here. You gotta push it there man. Some people can play flush draws quite strong. Hell, he might even had a combo draw or some real strong draw as well. Gotta push!

And i woulda pushed turn too. But generally i woulda gotten my money in on the flop. Might as well push with the nuts eh?

Hes a tight player and I would have folded too with that turn card. He's not playing the flop any other way than with AA KK. And would not go allin turn with KK.

But I would have put a lot more money into the pot on the flop.

here is how I feel the hand.

- raise 5bb preflop early position from a tight player, I put him on AQ/AK/KK/AA/QQ/(JJ?)

- I limp call heads up so I represent a pair.

- flop is ten high with a flushdraw. I decide to checkraise the continuation bet.

- sometimes players checkraise or frontbet a 'rags' flop against the raiser hoping he didnt hit. I can have called a suited and try a semi bluff here too that's why he reraises. Now I know he has an overpair or AhKh.

- turn is Ah so I can think he doesnt have AhKh, I dont think he would raise KQ preflop. he only raised me for 6$ on the flop and now pushes for 30$ so he must have improved. even if the turn doesnt seem to help me, he wouldn't push KK here so he must have the nut full and hope for me not to have a flush

this is my point

yeh all makes sense, but my point is that if he improved to what he thinks is the nuts he could just as easily bet out $15 with only $15 to push on the river..or is this sometghing that just doesn't happen

it's not like the ace is necessarily a scare card for him

lolz

im never folding there

as always very interesting post RobbieV

Having played many hands with this villain, he has AA 100% of the time here.

why do ppl say heroes and villains wtf this isnt some comic book

you are a horrible, horrible, horrible idiot for folding this

never ever ever fold such a hand in such a situation, wow you suck

(im not trying to be mean, you must understand how stupid you are and apologize to us for folding and then posting such a hand)

seriously, ban me

On January 27 2006 14:18 Ket wrote: why do ppl say heroes and villains wtf this isnt some comic book

Dunno where it originated, but I know 2+2 uses this style to mean Villain = (main) opposing player, Hero = you. It's much easier for people to read and glance over than reading all these different aliases etc.

1 buyin, lmao

I think most high stakes players players here dont understand some players at low limits just play and wait for the nuts or 2nd nuts

I think lots of the LP low limit players need to quit being so damn weak/tight. SERIOUSLY how can you fold this?

yeah this is stupid to fold the 3rd nuts against a rock

there is no such thing as third nuts

its only sets

shut the fuck up you weak ass low bankroll-never-going-to-progress-fish-ass-motherFUCKER

I told you to ban me mister god

keep posting, whatever will keep you from playing poker

go work at mcdonalds

Rekrul hommie chill out, dont hurt anyone, we dont want any trouble, your right we are all wrong.

just all-in on flop... can't see why he would try to bluff you twice or whatever. he is not gonna fold that hand, so just aaallll in!

haha rek

yes, like the players on the tv, poker is only bluffing and going all in right?

yes just like the french on TV, only eating poo and licking assholes clean

dont diss prostitutes who lick assholes for a living, its a legit proffession, gotta make a living somehow.

true its happened to me

cant complain

I don't like you but I know you're an awesome player, still sad to see u cant fold a set.

prostituting is not legit here, in france.

yeah, i came all this way, just a lucky guy whos too dumb to fold sets

god help me, i could have made twice as much FUCK!

no, u're not lucky, u're very good. But that doesnt mean u play perfect. as u already said "i'm tired and i dont fold a set"

you are a random turkey trying to justify retardation, please stop

but that was not retardation, i was right, can the superpro recognize the turkey was right? or is it retardation to save money????

just because he said he had AA you are right?

you cant be 100% sure you are right simply because he told you

i'm 90% sure he had, plus he said, plus others guys from the same stake, knowing my opponent, think i'm right

i once folded pocket 2's on an AKQ rainbow flop, hesitated for about a minute but came to the conclusion i was beat

you mofokers need to stop arguing cause obviously both of you are correct and nothing anyone says will change that

mofokers need to be hit up numereous shots with the fo fo

T u R K e Y

turkey

TURKEY

tUrkEy?

gobble

turkeys are dry and not very juicy

a chicken can give you a nice fight before it dies + make you some money if it wins its fight, after all that is finished you can eat it and the meat will be juicy and lean

i think a chicken could easily take a turkey in a fight

cutsss plz stop =[

why?

Come on, be kind with him, he wasn't even asking for advice for this hand

I can't agree with his flop play (I would have instapushed), but if he really believed based on previous play with that guy must have AA there... Some guys at those limits (I don't know if it applies at higher limits) are so amazingly predictable. He just needs 70% confidence in his read to fold that turn. Though I still can't understand the allin on that turn from the guy holding AA, I haven't played with him either and would surely call the turn against a random mofo, but if he's damn sure of his read and can fold that, I mean, more power to him.

Can't we just fucking love each other, ffs ? :D

amazing fold, bud!

3rd nuts

I honestly do not understand why people get mad when Rekrul yells at them

If i had the money, i'd fucking pay him to tell me im retarded every time i played a hand wrong

On January 27 2006 15:42 Catyoul wrote: Can't we just fucking love each other, ffs ? :D

Some poker players are still angery from their repeated bad beats. Let them fume and release for a while. Then Goossfrabbaa.....

On January 27 2006 16:38 Radiohead wrote: If i had the money, i'd fucking pay him to tell me im retarded

bawk bawk

it seems this discussion is very heated, but i just need to put in my own 2 cents, with no regard to whether or not i support cutss or rek.

i think you should have bet out on the flop and then reraised your bettor. most of us here know and would agree that playing aggressively is always best. in this particular case, when you flop the NUTS against an original pf raiser who represented a lot of str pf, you need to be aggressive, especially on a board that isn't particularly high and has a flush draw. betting will get you information in a few ways, if your opponent is the rock you say he is, he wont try to semi-bluff with the AhKh. if he raises you, you can be certain he holds AA/KK at which point you can come over the top and push, he'll most certainly call which is best case scenario for you. even if your opponent is the kind of TAG player who on occasion mixes it up by semibluffing with AhKh here, you should still remain aggressive.

trying to check-raise is bad for a few reasons here. if your opponent is a rock and wont semi-bluff or continuation bet without something, checking would give him the opporunity to check behind with AhKh and see a precious free card. furthermore, you have to realize that you're playing in a raised pot HU, check raising may extract you that one extra bet if indeed it is a continuation bet, but many times it gives tight opponents a reason to fold cheaply and get away from the hand when they dont hit. on the other hand, if u had played aggressively, your opponent would be committed for your bet as well as his raise, which means more value for you and might also induce a call from your opponent because he has already committed so much money in the pot. i mostly check raise in multiway pots so that i can isolate loose players (if there is a mixture of loose and tight players in the pot, if otherwise, i bet out... key is to always stay aggressive).

anyways, taking what you have, i think that you are very lucky your opponent min-reraised you and you should have taken that as an indication he held AA/KK/QQ. you should have went all in at that point, your opponent would most likely have called.

if he doesn't have AA you folded the best hand

Uh, even if the fold was correct (fucking doubtful), you played the hand badly. Get allin on that flop if he's raising you. Just cos you waited to get outdrawn and folded doesn't mean you played the hand well, it means you were stupid. He would have called an allin with all that raising on that flop.

On January 27 2006 18:02 Casper... wrote: if he doesn't have AA you folded the best hand

duh
did you even read the thread? lol.

nope

i think another hand possibility might be AxKh??

yea i think this is possible

you don't make it possible for yourself to be wrong alot of times folding your set of tens for 30$ to see $65.

what i think good players here would say if they were actually normal (instead of psycho) is that even the best player in the world can't rely on himself to correctly put his opponent on AA like this, there's just not enough information.

maybe this time he turns up AA and you lose, it was still correct to call....

Push here, even if he have AA you still have outs!!!!

On January 28 2006 10:52 tontonba wrote: i think another hand possibility might be AxKh??

a ridiculous rock reraises a flop raise on air? with a non-nut backdoor flush draw?
lol
this is 99% KxKh, he had no ace

On January 28 2006 11:55 radiaL wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2006 10:52 tontonba wrote: i think another hand possibility might be AxKh?? a ridiculous rock reraises a flop raise on air? with a non-nut backdoor flush draw? lol this is 99% KxKh, he had no ace

Agreed.

you should have pushed it harder on the flop, and you should have called the turn, and if he has AA, which i doubt, then you pay him off your one buy in. How the hell do you fold this hand?

he had a read, that's how

go radial