i really dont' like this play

why he squeezes a lot

if he's the person i'm thinking of off the top of my head he doesn't squeeze enough for this to happy. Plus we have position which is always a nice thing to have and not throw away with a coinflip hand.

he has 16% sqz over 260 hands dunno

yeah why not just play a flop with this hand?

o that's a lot higher then I remember. Guess I don't mind this as much then. I was thinking his SQ was like 8

you can still easily take a flop against this guy since you probably have some idea of how he plays post. He most likely plays really straight forward in 3bet pots.

lol what's he gunna do setmine pre? 77 is gunna play poorly in a 3b pot, just fold here and look for better spots.
i'd rather backraise with JJ+ if the guy's gunna squeeze 16% of the time.

what is the range of hands you're going to be call/calling in position vs someone who squeezes a lot then?

On November 01 2009 23:04 vlseph wrote: what is the range of hands you're going to be call/calling in position vs someone who squeezes a lot then?

this depends to much on the player to be answered w/o knowing about them postflop.

On November 01 2009 23:04 vlseph wrote: what is the range of hands you're going to be call/calling in position vs someone who squeezes a lot then?

good broadway hands for me (if I didn't 3b the original raiser) if all I know is that they are sqz'ing a lot I guess. Probably just fold usually..

fold pre imo

nice jam, too bad cards did not come through for you

i dont mind the backraise

i think calling is suicide

obv the result sucks but youre doing this with JJ and AQ as well

edit: I should also add that this being a "coinflip" hand makes it an even better jam because of all the dead money in the pot not to mention he folds some % of the time, i mean he almost folded ATo and that's gotta be like near the top of his squeezing range. so backraising is definitely +EV, and so the only question is whether or not calling is much more +EV which I feel given our specific hand and stack sizes, isn't (by far). If you ever call and fold before the river it ends up being pretty shitty because you never ever get to fully realize your equity vs hands like ATo and you either make bad folds or shitty call downs a lot of the time.

thanks all

thanks panorama this is how I thought of the hand when I chose to jam

btw he tanked his whole timebank lol

Pretty standard if you're going to continue instead of fold the clear play is to move all-in, very standard shove against players that are squeezing with like AT too often

thanks mez, pretty sure I remembered a hand where you advocated a similar play to this.

If your taking this line, then reraise to 88 and call off all day, don't just shove it.

atleast rep aces lol

On November 01 2009 23:43 NeillyJQ wrote: If your taking this line, then reraise to 88 and call off all day, don't just shove it.

i like this a lot

nah then I can't win his stack when he calls it off with AT vs my AQ imo

this is preety standard against someone getting that out of line

you hand is completely face up here. U have JJ+ 2% of the time here and the rest u have exactly what ur hand is here while his calling range is either crushing or flipping.

so then I win a bunch of money in the middle all the times he folds

are you guys insane? night is calling a UTG opener from UTG+1, he has AQ/AK / big pairs in his range a very significant % of the time, that ATs call is completley retarded

i mean, if villian calls here with ATo, then your play is profitable since the guy is obviously really bad.

On November 01 2009 23:46 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2009 23:43 NeillyJQ wrote: If your taking this line, then reraise to 88 and call off all day, don't just shove it. i like this a lot

+1

On November 01 2009 23:43 NeillyJQ wrote: If your taking this line, then reraise to 88 and call off all day, don't just shove it.

Fwiw I think 4betting to 88 is stupid since we are not folding any hand what-so-ever at that point. And if we 4bet smaller there's the risk he takes a flop (some people do that) and then we hate life a lot.

I shove too.