unknown tag.

Do we like smallish $ 25-30vbet or do we polarise our range properly and bomb $40+ (as I would do when bluffing, but balance is not important in the hand as we are unknown)

25...

around 38ish should be fine

On December 30 2009 10:59 TheHuHu3 wrote: 25...

Right, so its not standard to bluff the ace 100% of the time at NL100?

What image/stats do we have to have to make the polarised bet close to pot size more profitable than a small vbet against standard nl100 tag?

i prefer $4 pre, 6 on flop, 17 on turn and 42 on river

as played something like 37 shud be coo

On December 30 2009 11:02 Critterer wrote: i prefer $4 pre, 6 on flop, 17 on turn and 42 on river as played something like 37 shud be coo

yeah that was a screw up as he is unknown. I am still not comfy with the 100nl pot sizes

Smaller. This isn't a good spot to bet huge imo.

not the pre, I raise $4 utg, $3.5 utg+1 3-3.50 co, 2.50-3 bu as I gradually open my range. (unless I have a good reason to alter my pf sizing, e.g. fish in the blinds)

And again what stats/image do we need to have against a very good attentive reg to make the polarised big bet more profitable?

(almost every single with history reg has me marked as a spewy idiot btw
if I had history I am bombing the river every single time as I would bluff it 100% of the time and 2 barrel this board a decent amount with the intention of bombing good rivers )

given that you're unknown to me if you bet big here i wouldn't put you on a bluff ever

i wouldn't put any sane player on a bluff when they bet big on this river

If he's a very attentive reg then you need to have a TAG image yourself and rep the Ace on the River (No Barry Greenstein).

On December 30 2009 11:10 collegesucks wrote: given that you're unknown to me if you bet big here i wouldn't put you on a bluff ever i wouldn't put any sane player on a bluff when they bet big on this river

Even a better reason to bluff this big

On December 30 2009 11:11 TheHuHu3 wrote: If he's a very attentive reg then you need to have a TAG image yourself and rep the Ace on the River (No Barry Greenstein).

just a standard 24/20 tag image is enough for the big bet to make it more profitable?

how many bluffs do you have in this spot in the first place? are you seriously barreling that T turn with overcard draws, bare 9x, low pairs or whatever?

then fixing your turn play would make you more money than figuring out a polarized size for a river

There should be no NL50 regs that will call a huge bet here with 99 if you full pot it. If they do, they're probably not heavy thinkers, but just bad regs that out-level themselves.

His range should be pretty weak here, but something that likely has weak showdown value. Tx and JJ are the top of his range here, and some 7x, 88 and 99 should make up a lot of his range as well. I would also imagine he can occasionally show up with slowplayed boats and straights, even though they should have been technically been raised before the river. If you pot it and he jams, you're gonna have to throw up.

i mean if i did get to the river with a bluff i like a big bet simply because it can't ever be called

that's why i advocate a smaller river value bet

On December 30 2009 11:14 collegesucks wrote: how many bluffs do you have in this spot in the first place? are you seriously barreling that T turn with overcard draws, bare 9x, low pairs or whatever? then fixing your turn play would make you more money than figuring out a polarized size for a river

I do if I think he is peeling any pp to 2bets and most likely folding on a good river card.
Thats player dependent, but at NL100 people call flop+turn and fold even blank rivers lol

And yeah, if he is a good attentive reg he would and see me as a good player too he would know that I'd bluff smaller to rep a vbet here, I think you have a good point there guys.

Maybe the pot bet was just better at NL50 as the regs just call if they even suspect they are being run over, NL100 seems more pot controlling and scared money to me.
I think I'd have to have a really horrible image to really make the large bet more profitable against any TAG after hearing your comments, thanks for the input

30-35$

also if the reg is any good he knows it's unlikely you have an Ace in your hand that 2barrelled the turn as a bluff. Who is barreling this turn? TP just made trips and 99 is way stronger now. I see nl100 regs checking KK on this turn. When you bet $30 on this river I think he's just gonna close his eyes and press call.

well you have probably 0 bluffs here and if hes good at all he knows it, but its just a spot where you bet and hope for the best, not too big not to small something that gives him nice odds but doesnt look too fishy.

I bet $45 here with JJ+

i bet 37 all day

betting 30 is a good bluff bet as well (i wouldn't bomb this river as a bluff or as a vb against an unknown)

bet sizing on flop/turn is good.

Tom bombs cuz everyone calls him cuz they all think he's FOS.

On December 30 2009 11:43 TalentedTom wrote: I bet $45 here with JJ+

TOM!
God dammit I have almost changed game completely and you march in here.
Please can you explain what dynamics are good for that size?

On December 30 2009 11:47 Fox wrote: Tom bombs cuz everyone calls him cuz they all think he's FOS.

I was famous for being way over the top aggressive against regs at lower limits, thats why I'd always want to make it look like a bluff as much as possible with a hand.

edited

difference in betsizing here doesn't necessarily polarize your range. betting from 25-45 can be done with the same range of hands in the same frequency. vs some players im going half - pot or even overbetting depending on their tendencies

open fold or minbet. there are no other choices

bomb it. you'll make more money long run by betting bigger on all streets vs unknowns.

On December 30 2009 11:49 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2009 11:43 TalentedTom wrote: I bet $45 here with JJ+ TOM! God dammit I have almost changed game completely and you march in here. Please can you explain what dynamics are good for that size?   On December 30 2009 11:47 Fox wrote: Tom bombs cuz everyone calls him cuz they all think he's FOS. I was famous for being way over the top aggressive against regs at lower limits, thats why I'd always want to make it look like a bluff as much as possible with a hand.

because tom is a very agressiv player
hes probably doing alot of bet bet shove bet bet bet etc so yeah people are going nut so tom must probably lawyas bet strong

i like a 35$ bet

I'm stunned there are 30 comments on a non-Night2o1 hand history.

rofl lemon "i was famous" come now.